scottwallick
ambition ≥ skill
I was reading about AGFA earlier and I came across this presentation on the demise of the AGFA Photo.
Camera Demolition by Chris Sandström
I do lament the loss of Afga APX 100. Sigh. I enjoyed the presentation and I thought to share it. I had a look but couldn't find a mention of it on the forums. Anyhow, enjoy.
Camera Demolition by Chris Sandström
I do lament the loss of Afga APX 100. Sigh. I enjoyed the presentation and I thought to share it. I had a look but couldn't find a mention of it on the forums. Anyhow, enjoy.
vorgonyi
Member
get some Agfa APX 100 here
http://www.fotofachversand.at/shop/...category_id=2&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=23
http://www.fotofachversand.at/shop/...category_id=2&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=23
Juan Valdenebro
Truth is beauty
Here in Spain I buy APX100 and Rodinal too...
HHPhoto
Well-known
No need to worry at all. This building was the former administration building of the Agfa camera plant in Munich, Germany.
The Agfa camera production there was stopped about 30 years ago.
AFAIK the building was sold then and used by a different company.
Agfa film production at Agfa-Gevaert, Belgium, is still running and doing well:
www.agfa.com
They are producing movie film (color negative), sound film, aerial films (both BW and color negative and color slide), graphic films, microfilms, traffic and surveillance films.
They are the second largest BW film manufacturer worldwide behind Kodak.
They are market leader in graphic, microfilm and surveillance films.
As a "normal" photographer you can buy their films by Rollei-Film, Germany.
Rollei ATP
Agfa Copex Rapid (=Spur DSX)
Rollei Retro 80S
Rollei Superpan 200
Rollei Retro 400S
Rollei IR
Rollei CN 200
Rollei CR 200 (that is the original Agfa RSX II emulsion on PET base)
All these films are fresh made by Agfa-Gevaert.
If you want Agfa APX 100 and 400: There is still lots of it available, sold as Rollei Retro 100 and 400. Look here: www.macodirekt.de
The master rolls were frozen and now they are being cut and packed by Rollei-Film.
Furthermore there is a kind of second or new "Agfa" in Germany: This new company is called "InovisCoat" www.inoviscoat.de
All employees of Inoviscoat are former engineers and technicians of the former Agfa film plant in Leverkusen, Germany (that was the plant where the APX film line and the MCP / MCC paper was made).
These engineers have bought one of coating machines of Leverkusen, have scaled it down and modernised it.
They are cooperating with Fotoimpex/Adox in Germany and are producing the Adox MCP and MCC photopaper for them.
The first production run of APX 400 is scheduled for this month. This film will be sold as Adox AP 400. So APX 100 and 400 will have a future. If you like these films, you can buy new production in the future.
Best regards,
Jan
The Agfa camera production there was stopped about 30 years ago.
AFAIK the building was sold then and used by a different company.
Agfa film production at Agfa-Gevaert, Belgium, is still running and doing well:
www.agfa.com
They are producing movie film (color negative), sound film, aerial films (both BW and color negative and color slide), graphic films, microfilms, traffic and surveillance films.
They are the second largest BW film manufacturer worldwide behind Kodak.
They are market leader in graphic, microfilm and surveillance films.
As a "normal" photographer you can buy their films by Rollei-Film, Germany.
Rollei ATP
Agfa Copex Rapid (=Spur DSX)
Rollei Retro 80S
Rollei Superpan 200
Rollei Retro 400S
Rollei IR
Rollei CN 200
Rollei CR 200 (that is the original Agfa RSX II emulsion on PET base)
All these films are fresh made by Agfa-Gevaert.
If you want Agfa APX 100 and 400: There is still lots of it available, sold as Rollei Retro 100 and 400. Look here: www.macodirekt.de
The master rolls were frozen and now they are being cut and packed by Rollei-Film.
Furthermore there is a kind of second or new "Agfa" in Germany: This new company is called "InovisCoat" www.inoviscoat.de
All employees of Inoviscoat are former engineers and technicians of the former Agfa film plant in Leverkusen, Germany (that was the plant where the APX film line and the MCP / MCC paper was made).
These engineers have bought one of coating machines of Leverkusen, have scaled it down and modernised it.
They are cooperating with Fotoimpex/Adox in Germany and are producing the Adox MCP and MCC photopaper for them.
The first production run of APX 400 is scheduled for this month. This film will be sold as Adox AP 400. So APX 100 and 400 will have a future. If you like these films, you can buy new production in the future.
Best regards,
Jan
tenderobject
paper negative
thank you very much for the info hhphoto!
shadowfox
Darkroom printing lives
Jan, thanks for this, out of curiosity, you seem to know a lot about this. Are these companies quite well known in Germany?
I have heard about ADOX marketing APX-type film but I didn't know that the new company actually employed ex-Agfa personnel.
I personally like their quoting Samuel Johnson: "clear your mind of can't"
There's hope for film yet.
bmattock
Veteran
AgfaPhoto GmbH went bankrupt. Agfa-Gevaert spun it off to die, and die it did. Agfa-Gevaert still makes a few photographic films, but none of the films that AgfaPhoto did. The equipment to make the film was sold to a South Korean company, and is currently in use doing something else.
News to the contrary is wishful thinking.
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-133902835.html
http://www.forbes.com/feeds/afx/2005/10/19/afx2285533.html
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/biz/...9380711910.htm
News to the contrary is wishful thinking.
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-133902835.html
http://www.forbes.com/feeds/afx/2005/10/19/afx2285533.html
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/biz/...9380711910.htm
sevo
Fokutorendaburando
Please don't repeat outright false statements! A South Korean company (if we may say so of a multinational conglomerate) purchased the plastics film production plant, and may still be operating it in Leverkusen. The latest Agfa film coating line was purchased by Inoviscoat who moved it to a new plant some 10km off the old site.
bmattock
Veteran
bmattock
Veteran
http://www.ksta.de/html/artikel/1233584036012.shtml
Translation from Babelfish from German to English:
So OpCo did not make it either, as of September 2009. You might remember Wilfried Sill, his was the name bandied about in 2006, when he announced that Agfa was about to get back into the film coating business. He means industrial coatings, not photographic, but die-hard film buffs pounced on his words and twisted them to suit their own meanings. Now it should be quite clear what is what.
Translation from Babelfish from German to English:
So OpCo did not make it either, as of September 2009. You might remember Wilfried Sill, his was the name bandied about in 2006, when he announced that Agfa was about to get back into the film coating business. He means industrial coatings, not photographic, but die-hard film buffs pounced on his words and twisted them to suit their own meanings. Now it should be quite clear what is what.
Pickett Wilson
Veteran
"Disclaimer regarding AgfaPhoto
Press releaseMortsel (Belgium)August 07, 2009 13:34
Agfa-Gevaert sold its worldwide Consumer Imaging business group in 2004 to the AgfaPhoto group of companies (not affiliated with Agfa-Gevaert).
In connection with that sale, a Trademark License Agreement, dated November 2, 2004, was entered into between Agfa-Gevaert NV and Agfa-Gevaert NV & Co. KG, as Licensors, and AgfaPhoto Holding GmbH, as Licensee, giving AgfaPhoto Holding GmbH, a German company having its registered office in Cologne, Germany, the right to use and to sublicense the trademark 'AgfaPhoto' for products having a photographic application, in accordance with the terms and conditions of the Trademark License Agreement.
Agfa-Gevaert declines any liability whatsoever with respect to or in connection with any AgfaPhoto-product.
Agfa-Gevaert does not manufacture, market, distribute or sell any AgfaPhoto-products.
Agfa-Gevaert does not provide any service, any support or any product warranty with respect to any AgfaPhoto-product.
Any request for support or information regarding "AgfaPhoto"-products should be addressed to AgfaPhoto Holding GmbH, www.agfaphoto.com"
Press releaseMortsel (Belgium)August 07, 2009 13:34
Agfa-Gevaert sold its worldwide Consumer Imaging business group in 2004 to the AgfaPhoto group of companies (not affiliated with Agfa-Gevaert).
In connection with that sale, a Trademark License Agreement, dated November 2, 2004, was entered into between Agfa-Gevaert NV and Agfa-Gevaert NV & Co. KG, as Licensors, and AgfaPhoto Holding GmbH, as Licensee, giving AgfaPhoto Holding GmbH, a German company having its registered office in Cologne, Germany, the right to use and to sublicense the trademark 'AgfaPhoto' for products having a photographic application, in accordance with the terms and conditions of the Trademark License Agreement.
Agfa-Gevaert declines any liability whatsoever with respect to or in connection with any AgfaPhoto-product.
Agfa-Gevaert does not manufacture, market, distribute or sell any AgfaPhoto-products.
Agfa-Gevaert does not provide any service, any support or any product warranty with respect to any AgfaPhoto-product.
Any request for support or information regarding "AgfaPhoto"-products should be addressed to AgfaPhoto Holding GmbH, www.agfaphoto.com"
HHPhoto
Well-known
Dear Will,
Yes, in the analogue photographic community they are well known. And the economic and photograhic media reported about it as well.
The company InovisCoat was founded by three former leading engineers und scientists of Agfa in Leverkusen, Germany. These engineers are the "fathers" of the MCC / MCP papers and the APX films. They have developed these products at Agfa.
And all other employees of Inoviscoat are also former Agfa Leverkusen employees.
And most of the machinery is from Agfa Leverkusen, mainly the coating machine.
There is a cooperation between InovisCoat and Adox. Inoviscoat is producing the products, Adox is responsible for distribution.
Best regards,
Jan
Yes, in the analogue photographic community they are well known. And the economic and photograhic media reported about it as well.
The company InovisCoat was founded by three former leading engineers und scientists of Agfa in Leverkusen, Germany. These engineers are the "fathers" of the MCC / MCP papers and the APX films. They have developed these products at Agfa.
And all other employees of Inoviscoat are also former Agfa Leverkusen employees.
And most of the machinery is from Agfa Leverkusen, mainly the coating machine.
There is a cooperation between InovisCoat and Adox. Inoviscoat is producing the products, Adox is responsible for distribution.
Best regards,
Jan
HHPhoto
Well-known
SCOTFORTHLAD
Slow learner,but keen!
I noticed a good selection of Agfa films available at Lupus-shop.de
Seems to me that it must still be in production,
Seems to me that it must still be in production,
sevo
Fokutorendaburando
Nope, that is old stock. It is rather unlikely that new products made to old Agfa formulas will resurface as Agfa - the brand names have been licensed away separately. The group active resurrecting some Agfa films will probably use the Adox brand, like they already have done with the Agfa papers...
Sevo
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HHPhoto
Well-known
Facts about Lupus Imaging in Germany:
The employees are former AgfaPhoto Leverkusen staff, distribution and marketing people.
They can use the name AgfaPhoto because the german AgfaPhoto Holding GmbH, which did not get in insolvency (that was their production sub-company), licensed the name "AgfaPhoto" to Lupus Imaging (and some other firms distributing digicams, printers etc.).
The original Agfa, Agfa-Gevaert in Belgium, tried to stop this licensing by court but failed.
The Lupus AgfaPhoto APX BW films are all old stock from last production run in Leverkusen in 2005. Frozen and now cut and packed by Ferrania in Italy (and without quality control, because Ferrania has no BW lab at their factory).
Therefore if you want to buy APX films cheap now, it is better to choose the Rollei Retro 100 and 400, because they are quality controlled. These films are cut and packed by Photostar/Tura in Germany. A company that uses original Agfa machinery.They cooperated with Agfa for several decades, and have their own quality control lab at their factory.
AgfaPhoto Vista color negative film is now relabelled Ferrania Solaris film.
The CT Precisa slide film is relabelled Kodak Elitechrome 100 film.
If you want real Agfa film, you can either buy Agfa-Gevaert made film sold as Rollei-Film, or soon InovisCoat made film sold as Adox.
Best regards,
Jan
Roger Hicks
Veteran
Jan's assessment of the situation certainly chimes better with my own experience of talking to people in the industry than does Bill's repetition of reports. Jan's reports and mine are first-hand; Bill's are at best second-hand. EDIT: I have yet to see Jan say anything that does not bear out what I was told, but he knows more about the subject than I. Of course it is possible that he and I were misled but it is also possible that other reporters were misled or simply did not know enough to ask the right questions.
Cheers,
R.
Cheers,
R.
Solinar
Analog Preferred
I never used Agfa's color films much - but I did use my share of APX 25 and APX100.
I still have a couple bricks of APX 100 in 135 and a few rolls of 120 in the freezer. Upon on each announcement of discontinuance, I did stock up.
I do hope the new venture can be profitable as a ground up start up verses a division in a giant conglomerate on its way down. The latter refers to Kodak.
I still have a couple bricks of APX 100 in 135 and a few rolls of 120 in the freezer. Upon on each announcement of discontinuance, I did stock up.
I do hope the new venture can be profitable as a ground up start up verses a division in a giant conglomerate on its way down. The latter refers to Kodak.
bmattock
Veteran
These film products are listed on Agfa Gevaert's website. I said they make traffic and surveillance films, and that is pretty much what I see here. If they make other products, they seem not to list it here.
http://www.agfa.com/en/gs/products_services/all_products/alliance.jsp
If Agfa Gevaert is making color print film or the others stated, I'm not aware of it, and I can find no proof that it exists other than the word of someone who a) lives in Germany and b) says so. If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong. But I see no film, just assurances of how things will be real soon now.
http://www.agfa.com/en/gs/products_services/all_products/alliance.jsp
If Agfa Gevaert is making color print film or the others stated, I'm not aware of it, and I can find no proof that it exists other than the word of someone who a) lives in Germany and b) says so. If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong. But I see no film, just assurances of how things will be real soon now.
sevo
Fokutorendaburando
Sidetracking again? So far, nobody made any claims that Gevaert are making colour film. But as a matter of fact, they do. And if you had been a bit more careful, and had not only attempted to confirm your prejudices with a quick glance at Agfa Graphics but also looked at the product line-up of Agfa Materials, you should have noticed that they do indeed list three colour print films, three CN and a chrome film in their current product line. But IIRC Maco is only packaging one unmasked Gevaert film as a curiosity, besides a variety of their black and white films.