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Pherdinand

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What happens if you take the bottom plate of an M2 off, flip the backdoor open and realize that this is not a friggin medium format camera :bang:, and you MUST rewind the film before you wanna take it out?:bang::bang:
(iso100 sensia, shadow but daylight)
 
You'll probably only lose a few frames. Don't ask me how I know.

Tell everyone those were the best shots.
 
I did that once for a roll of RVP 50 and the film came back perfect...I don't know if it's the leica design or I was just lucky.
 
I did almost that recently, in Paris, with my MP and a roll of Pan F. I took the baseplate off but I didn't open the swing door, and the frame enclosed in the door was perfect! The preceding 3 frames were badly fogged, and there was a small degree of fogging to the 3 before those, but the remainder were just fine. There was fogging around the sprocket holes that faced downwards in the camera, but the frames themselves don't appear fogged at all.

That's what happens when those of us who also use MF don't remember that 135 format can, occasionally, catch even experienced users unawares…

George
 
A friend of mine shot an entire roll on an M6 with the baseplate on, but the door swinging in the breeze. Surprisingly most of his shots came out (but probably not sharp because of the lack of pressure plate). It's sometimes amazing what you can get away with.

Recently I dropped a roll of film and the top popped off the cassette (the reloadable kind). I quickly put it back on, and when I processed the film, I'd only lost a few frames.
 
I did almost that recently, in Paris, with my MP and a roll of Pan F. I took the baseplate off but I didn't open the swing door, and the frame enclosed in the door was perfect! The preceding 3 frames were badly fogged, and there was a small degree of fogging to the 3 before those, but the remainder were just fine. There was fogging around the sprocket holes that faced downwards in the camera, but the frames themselves don't appear fogged at all.
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I recently did this too except with a roll of CMS. The result was a total loss. All of the negs came out with sprocket patterns fogged across the image. This was asa 20 on an overcast day.

Oh yeah, the camera body was an M7. My first time using two bodies and as you can see I had some management issues. I had finished the roll of CMS in the M7 so I switched quickly to the MP3. When I later came back to the M7, I instinctively opened the baseplate to fetch the film out without remembering that I hadn't rewound it. I've realized that the presence of multiple bodies makes me over-engineer my shots. I've since adopted a single body policy. Whats painful is that the body of my work that day was done on the M7 and that roll of CMS.


Contrary to all the miracle stories above, I'd be glad to post a scan of a contact sheet I made of the said roll of CMS depicting the extent of the fogging.
 
Usually I like to tear the film cassette from the camera screw it into a small ball then through it as far as I can while shouting something.

Then I truculently stomp after it muttering something about bloody stupid design to retrieve the spool.
 
When I worked at a camera shop I do remember once seeing a camera that addressed this scenario by design. The film was loaded in the same fashion as most cameras except before use the camera would unwind the roll film off of the canister and onto the equivalent of an M's film take-up tulip spool.

As the user shot the exposed frames would be wound back into the film can. An accidental exposure of the film had the potential to fog the remaining unexposed portion of the roll film but the exposed (and important) parts were safely rolled inside the film cannister. A feature that I frankly wouldn't mind seeing implemented in an M. Sort of like switching the film take-up spool with the film canister cavity and loading the film by using the rewind-crank to load everything onto the tulip first.
 
I have done this more than once or twice but with a SLR...shooting with more than one camera you tend to forget which one's loaded or not...These days I'll check by turning the rewind knob a bit and feel for tension...
Actually did this last week and found that there wasn't any film in the RF that I was using...good thing I had a loaded back-up...
 
I don't think I've seen a single EOS body that operates in that way. (shooting by winding exposed frames back into the can.)
 
Haha, I just did this as well, it was miserable and raining and did the tension test after I had returned to the dry warmth of my car and had to go back out...


nikon_sam said:
I have done this more than once or twice but with a SLR...shooting with more than one camera you tend to forget which one's loaded or not...These days I'll check by turning the rewind knob a bit and feel for tension...
Actually did this last week and found that there wasn't any film in the RF that I was using...good thing I had a loaded back-up...
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Same here... and twice! The first time I was at home, and only one frame suffered a very small fogging. The second time I was in Nuremberg, it was a very sunny day, and some of the shots I was very proud of (3) got ruined around the sprocket line, near the bottom.

However, the rest of the roll was fine.
 
I don't think I've seen a single EOS body that operates in that way. (shooting by winding exposed frames back into the can.)
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The several EOS cameras I've seen (including my wife's) do - it means that if you run out of battery or the camera fails you can still get the film out with most of the exposed shots (all bar the last one) undamaged.

As for the problem with opening an M, I did that a week ago. My M2 kept winding past the 36 exposure mark and I thought I'd stupidly gone out with no film in it, so I opened it to find there was a film but it had wound completely out of the cassette. But as it was so tightly wound on the take-up spool and with the film being quite opaque, only the last 5 or 6 shots had been lost.
 
Pherdinand said:
What happens if you take the bottom plate of an M2 off, flip the backdoor open and realize that this is not a friggin medium format camera :bang:, and you MUST rewind the film before you wanna take it out?:bang::bang:
(iso100 sensia, shadow but daylight)
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Well, your results may vary. I can tell you it has caused me to head for the nearest beer dispensery where I sat and drank a brew and contemplated where I went wrong.


Bob
 
It happened once to me ... :bang: Came back to the hotel room in the evening, was pretty tired and thought that I had rewound the film in my M4-P... Removed the plate, opened the back-door, tried to remove the film (all in dark) and then realized that the film couldn't be removed ... Since it was really dark only the last frames were lost :eek:
 
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