Rudolphono
Member
Hi.
I want to buy a new ZI because of the bright viewfinder
and the big baselength.
Its my first RF with interchangeable lens.
I want to use a fast 35mm standard lens (short focusing distance would be nice too)
and a ultra wideangle lens (15-21mm) as a start.
I want a fast and small/light 35mm lens, beacause i am shooting a lot at verry changeable light conditions.
What are the right lenses for me?
I would prefer new lenses. No exotic used stuff.
I could spend about 1200$ for the 35mm.
The ultra wideangle should be a bit mor affordable.
Thanks für youre help.
Ralle
I want to buy a new ZI because of the bright viewfinder
and the big baselength.
Its my first RF with interchangeable lens.
I want to use a fast 35mm standard lens (short focusing distance would be nice too)
and a ultra wideangle lens (15-21mm) as a start.
I want a fast and small/light 35mm lens, beacause i am shooting a lot at verry changeable light conditions.
What are the right lenses for me?
I would prefer new lenses. No exotic used stuff.
I could spend about 1200$ for the 35mm.
The ultra wideangle should be a bit mor affordable.
Thanks für youre help.
Ralle
back alley
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how fast is fast?
for me f2 is fast but 2.8 is fast enough.
for me f2 is fast but 2.8 is fast enough.
Burlap Jacket
Established
Voigtlander 35/1.4. Small and fast.
kshapero
South Florida Man
I had the CV 35/f1.4 but I like the CV 35/f1.7. It is fast enough, handles better and draws a little more old timey. IMHO. Oh it is lots cheaper.
Seconded. It's a great little lens, and makes for a really light setup on a Zeiss Ikon.
scottwallick
ambition ≥ skill
I agree, so I went with the newer 2.8/35 ZM, which is a bit smaller (smaller enough, rather) than the 2/35 ZM. I've been very pleased with what I've managed with it. This lens compliments my 2.8/28 and 2/50 ZMs nicely.
But if I was going to have just one lens for my body for a time, I'd probably go ahead with the faster 2/35 ZM.
mfogiel
Veteran
Ralle
You shoud say also, if you shoot B&W only or colour as well. I think the most universal high quality 35mm around, outside of expensive Leica stuff, is the Nokton 35/1.2, but it is not small. I would put the 35/2 Biogon second, (but not in terms of results) as on a ZI it makes for a combination that really delivers. I got a disproportionate amount of technically excellent shots with this combo. As for the 21mm, if you can be happy with the f4.5 max aperture, grab the C Biogon 21/4.5, period.
You shoud say also, if you shoot B&W only or colour as well. I think the most universal high quality 35mm around, outside of expensive Leica stuff, is the Nokton 35/1.2, but it is not small. I would put the 35/2 Biogon second, (but not in terms of results) as on a ZI it makes for a combination that really delivers. I got a disproportionate amount of technically excellent shots with this combo. As for the 21mm, if you can be happy with the f4.5 max aperture, grab the C Biogon 21/4.5, period.
Rudolphono
Member
Hi.
I'm using 65% B/W Film; 20% color positive and 15% color negative Film.
And i like orange filters and slow films.
The 35/2 Biogon and the Nokton 35/1.4 were my first choice.
Does the more expensive Biogon pays off?
A faster wideangle would be nice. Because it fits better to the standard lens.
The price for a external viewfinder for ZI lenses is crazy.
Or should i choose slower lenses because of the smaller size, better price? (better picture quality???)
Otherwise i like a small depth of field.
What do you think?
Ralle
I'm using 65% B/W Film; 20% color positive and 15% color negative Film.
And i like orange filters and slow films.
The 35/2 Biogon and the Nokton 35/1.4 were my first choice.
Does the more expensive Biogon pays off?
A faster wideangle would be nice. Because it fits better to the standard lens.
The price for a external viewfinder for ZI lenses is crazy.
Or should i choose slower lenses because of the smaller size, better price? (better picture quality???)
Otherwise i like a small depth of field.
What do you think?
Ralle
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mfogiel
Veteran
If you also shoot colour, stay with Zeiss. I don't have a first hand experience with the CV 35/1.4, but I use both the the CV 35/1.2 (which is considered a better lens than the 35/1.4), and the 35/2 Biogon : from f2.8 on, the Biogon is a certainly a winner. As to the 21mm, you have the following options:
Lenses -C Biogon 21/4,5 - best lens optically by a wide margin, Biogon 21/2.8, excellent lens, but more distortion, much bigger and more expensive, CV 21/4P - I've heard good things about it, but it has some distortion and less sharpness than Zeiss.
Viewfinders: Bessa R4A - good VF for 21,25 and best of all 28mm, as a bonus you get the 35 and 50mm frames, plus a camera body ;-), then Zeiss 21mm - only a bit less expensive than the Bessa R4A, but the best 21mm VF on the market, CV 21mm VF - some distortion, but least expensive of all.
See which combination suits your finances, I'd go for the R4A+C Biogon 21/4,5 and some fast film...
Lenses -C Biogon 21/4,5 - best lens optically by a wide margin, Biogon 21/2.8, excellent lens, but more distortion, much bigger and more expensive, CV 21/4P - I've heard good things about it, but it has some distortion and less sharpness than Zeiss.
Viewfinders: Bessa R4A - good VF for 21,25 and best of all 28mm, as a bonus you get the 35 and 50mm frames, plus a camera body ;-), then Zeiss 21mm - only a bit less expensive than the Bessa R4A, but the best 21mm VF on the market, CV 21mm VF - some distortion, but least expensive of all.
See which combination suits your finances, I'd go for the R4A+C Biogon 21/4,5 and some fast film...
Tim Gray
Well-known
The ZM 35/2 is a really nice lens.
Also, be sure to check out a the CV 15/4.5. It's small, affordable, and a lot of fun to use.
Also, be sure to check out a the CV 15/4.5. It's small, affordable, and a lot of fun to use.
hiromu
Established
Biogon 35/2 and CV21 both can be had for the price of Nokton 1.2.
Hiromu
Hiromu
Rudolphono
Member
Whats the difference betwen the Biogon 35/2 and the C Biogon 35/2.8.
At the moment i am on the way to choose slower lenses for traveling and every day use.
R4A + C Biogon 21/4,5 + a 35mm (C) Biogon sounds like a nice combination.
I can get an ZI + a fast 35+50mm lens if the RF thing works good for me. (sometimes in the future)
Ralle
At the moment i am on the way to choose slower lenses for traveling and every day use.
R4A + C Biogon 21/4,5 + a 35mm (C) Biogon sounds like a nice combination.
I can get an ZI + a fast 35+50mm lens if the RF thing works good for me. (sometimes in the future)
Ralle
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noimmunity
scratch my niche
Everybody has given you great advice. You can't go wrong with any of the choices above.
Based on your criteria (small, light, fast, new, under $1200), I think you really have only one choice for a 35: the CV 1,4/35 .
Yes the other lenses mentioned are all very appealing for this or that reason, and since I have them and not the smaller Nokton, I might be expected to persuade you otherwise. But no! Your criteria are clear. The only caveat is that IF, however, you would be shooting architecture or things with straight lines, then you should veer towards the other lenses.
Yes the CV 1,4/35 has certain limitations, but ultimately this is what RF photography is all about.We have to pick which compromise we can work with. Within those parameters the rewards are rich and you won't be feeling "limited" at all--quite the opposite.
Plus, it sounds like you will expand your gear later on.
Another vote for the C Biogon 4,5/21.
Based on your criteria (small, light, fast, new, under $1200), I think you really have only one choice for a 35: the CV 1,4/35 .
Yes the other lenses mentioned are all very appealing for this or that reason, and since I have them and not the smaller Nokton, I might be expected to persuade you otherwise. But no! Your criteria are clear. The only caveat is that IF, however, you would be shooting architecture or things with straight lines, then you should veer towards the other lenses.
Yes the CV 1,4/35 has certain limitations, but ultimately this is what RF photography is all about.We have to pick which compromise we can work with. Within those parameters the rewards are rich and you won't be feeling "limited" at all--quite the opposite.
Plus, it sounds like you will expand your gear later on.
Another vote for the C Biogon 4,5/21.
thomasw_
Well-known
I recommend at least f2 for the 35mm as it will be your normal lens. The cv f1,2 or 1,4 might work if you like their virtues and can live with their shortcomings -- the f1,2 is very large and the f1,4 can show some barrel distortion; both are in your cost range. The f2 ZM is a great lens; very sharp and modern, particularly sweet with kodachrome 64 colours; its downside is that it is the same size as the Leica f1,4 summilux: not a big deal to me, but if you like a small/compact form, there are better choices. The lenses at f2 I recommend most would the summicron v.3 and v.4. Both can be obtained in your stated range. The v.3 flares less but the rendering, the coma, of the v.4 is very contentious: i love it but some prefer a less dreamy look. But whether the dreamy OOF areas are worth the extra dollars is for you to decide; many like me think it is.
Sam N
Well-known
Just to give an alternative POV (and FOV har har), how about the CV 40/1.4? It's even cheaper than the 35/1.4 and doesn't have the barrel distortion problems. On my ZI the 35mm framelines are pretty accurate for it as well.
noimmunity
scratch my niche
exactly one of the reasons I have that 40. With all the interest in the 35, I picked up a mint 40 for a song. (Hint: look for non-US sellers). The 40 seems to have no noticeable distortion, but it does vignette a little (YMMV) and it has, like the 35, somewhat vexing bokeh wide open (which stopped down smooths out well; use it as an f/2 lens with that extra stop in reserve and it's sweet). Plus, the progression from 21 to 40 is a natural which the OP could later expand up into the Zeiss-friendly 85 (several choices here) and down into the CV 12.
gohaj
Well-known
Leica Summicron 35mm f/2 Type 4
Zeiss ZM 21mm f/2.8 or Zeiss ZM 21mm f/4.5 (depending you want it for low light or compact in size)