What would it take to make you interested in a "T2"?

[Ken Ford]

The new Leica T is proving to be polarizing (to say the least.) Some people see no redeeming value to it, some think it's great and some (myself included) think it's interesting but not likely to be something they would buy.

OK, then - what would the next iteration of the T need to have to make you consider buying one? How much of a hit or miss was the T feature set for you?

As an example, IMO for the current T:

* The industrial design and UI is mostly right on
* The lack of an integrated EVF is a miss for me, but it does allow for EVF upgrades in the future

The changes I would like to see in a T2:

* If I can't have an integrated EVF, add a positive lock to the accessory EVF so there is no possible way it can be walked off
* Add a single back button above the screen that can be optionally configured as an AF-ON, AF-L, or AF/AE-L control (I prefer AF-ON)

What about you? Please try to be constructive, there is enough T slagging going on in the other threads already.

 

[rfaspen]

The obvious: FF sensor and ability to effectively use my M lenses (I'm aware of the adapter, that should suffice).

I use an EVF on my micro4/3 system and like it well enough. That's a good thing too...I love my optical RF/finders on the Ms, but I can deal with an EVF.

 

[ruby.monkey]

I'd like either an aperture control ring on the lens, or a front control dial. Better yet, dedicated shutter speed and aperture controls so that I can tell what's set at a glance without having to look at the LCD.

 

[willie_901]

Whatever it would take is beyond my imagination.

 

[semilog]

It would take Fuji, Sony, Olympus, and Panasonic going out of business.

 

[Scrambler]

While I think I "get" the question, I don't think this is the forum, or the time, to ask it.

Almost by definition (and according to some, it SHOULD be by definition) members of RFF are rangefinder shooters. We are used to eye-level high quality viewfinders, manual focusing and physical aperture and shutter speed controls.

The target market are iphone users who are stepping up to a "real camera." Compared to an iPhone the T includes the following dedicated controls:
1) A still shutter release
2) A video shutter release
3) A flash opening switch
4) A zoom ring (on zoom lenses)
5) A focusing ring

And it also includes two assignable control wheels, which default to aperture and shutter speed in manual mode.

I make that 7 physical controls that the iPhone doesn't have.

To the target market, it will make a LOT more sense than having a control layout from the 1950's (or 1920's, depending on how you look at it).

The right time will be in 18 month, the right audience, IMHO, will be well-heeled 20-30 year olds currently using an iPhone or P&S.

 

[whited3]

All it would take are two things:
Full frame
Advanced focusing aides (I'm of the opinion focus peaking as a whole has tons of headroom for sophistication and improvement)

Ok 3rd thing - good integrated EVF (which I won't hold my breath for)

The rest would be bonus. I'm assuming the T already has the standard manual, aperture, and shutter priority modes + exposure comp...

 

[thegman]

I can't imagine anything getting me to buy it. Not that it's a bad camera at all, I'm sure it's really nice, but it's not film. If I was to get into digital, I'd probably go FF or bigger. If I was to get a compact system, I'd want weather sealed, maybe even waterproof.

Having said that, I think the overall design, while nice, is totally by the numbers, and should maybe have a bit more character. For me, I'd like an optical finder, but that's not going to happen.

I can appreciate the T seems to be a good effort, and a decent camera, it's just quite far away from the sort of cameras I want.

 

[Juan Valdenebro]

No way... I find it impossible to like or prefer a camera without real, fast manual focus.
Cheers,
Juan

 

[Emile de Leon]

Fully articulated screen..
M mount..
Put a rangefinder on top..
Add comfortable grip....cant imagine it being comfortable to hold..
4K video..
And last..but not least..
A very pretty groupie... to hand it to me every time I want to snap..

 

[edge100]

Integrated EVF
M Mount
Full frame
Same price

 

[x-ray]

I really have no interest in mirror less cameras and haven't seen an EVF that I would want to use. APS size sensors are of little interest too. The current feature set is marginal compared to other cameras and the price IMO is out of line. I see no advantage over Fujis offering and especially the FF Sony A7 (r).

Leica would have to drop the price, improve feature set, go FF, use the M mount and prove it has comparable construction and reliability with other comparable offerings on the market.

 

[coelacanth]

A little different take, I guess. For the concept of T,

• Made of grade 5, hardened Titanium. (Damasko or Sinn can help with hardening process)
• Smaller, closer to GM1 size.
•*Sapphire crystal touch screen.

For this particular product concept, APS-C size sensor and no built-in EVF can stay.

I guess I'm not denying the concept and the target audience Leica has in mind. For that, I'd imagine T2 to be more like a Bauhaus inspired contemporary German timepieces. My personal wish is not to go all the way blingy, and instead, keep it subtle and tasteful, say, something like NOMOS Glashütte's newer offerings.

Oh and they can make a limited edition T-Monochrom made of solid brass with black paint job. 😉

 

[edge100]

The current feature set is marginal compared to other cameras and the price IMO is out of line. I see no advantage over Fujis offering and especially the FF Sony A7 (r).

Leica would have to drop the price, improve feature set, go FF, use the M mount and prove it has comparable construction and reliability with other comparable offerings on the market.

My sentiments, exactly.

 

[rbelyell]

it seems to me the apsc market is a crowded one with many options. those who are successful, whether you like 'em or not, like fuji, have somehow distinguished themselves. the biggest problem i see with the T is its only real distinguising characteristic is this 'new' interface. other than that, i think most digi M users would view the lowly ricoh gxr as at least an equal if not superior tool (focus peeking, native M mount, M lens enhancing microlens array).

so, long way 'round to:
1) get rid of the sony cmos sensor everyone else on the earth uses and go back to leica ccd roots. again, seperate yourself leica!

2) add a 'new' manual focusing method, something akin to the fuji xt split screen.

3) if you could accomplish 2 above in the context of some hybrid ovf/evf, now youve really got something.

 

[jsrockit]

A lower price.