What's coming on Dec 21?

It's got to be a 1.4 of some stripe....50 and 85 IIRC. The era of super speed lenses was really the 80s...

Edit: Well, copake-ham "learned me good", to use a wantonly ungrammatical expression. So 50/1.2 is their fastest. But I will assume that their fastest AF lenses are 1.4. Yes, I know they make some super speed microscope and scientific lenses that can be duct taped onto an SLR, but I am talking current, normal production lenses.
 
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The Zeiss objective is not speed. The objective is to make sharper and more bokehful lenses than Nikon, for Nikon owners. That is clear.
 
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Sinar m
Sinar m Philosophy

Flexibility – Our Product Philosophy

The world of professional photography has changed dramatically – the demand for .exibility has become stronger than ever before. This affects photographers as they work and, of course, the camera systems that they use in practicing their craft. Sinar has made .exibility a policy ever since the company was founded and it faithfully continues to observe that policy. And now, with the Sinar m System, the concept of .exibility achieves entirely new dimensions never before known in photography.


An Inspired Step

Our vision was to develop a system that provides the photographer with maximum .exibility. In order to achieve that goal, it should be possible to assemble the most diverse components tailored to their respective applications, thus enabling the photographer to accomplish his tasks easily and quickly, with no sacri.ce in quality. With today’s technology, this idea appeared to be current and feasible – and this motivated us to develop the Sinar m System. The Sinar m combines the world of the view camera with components of medium format- and 35 mm cameras in a unique manner. In addition to the obvious economic advantages, this option offers fascinating new creative possibilities for image capture and pictorial expression.

Reliability and Value Conservation

The heart of this unique system that so beautifully meets the demands of professional digital high-end photography is the Sinar m. Whether it is used as a view camera or as a compact professional camera, the Sinar m is a modern, fast and fully electronically controlled focal plane shutter that is highly effective in every situation. It takes but a few hand movements to attach the various modules to the Sinar m in order to ready it for a speci.c task. These modules are optimally tailored to one another mechanically and they are equipped with microprocessors that communicate with one another. The results obtained with the Sinar m System favorably stand any comparison with regards to quality and production ef.ciency.

Precision is Fundamental

The high performance capability of current and future systems requires an extremely precise camera- and lens technology. Only with that high level of precision can the performance capability of modern sensors with smaller pixel sizes on the same surface area be utilized effectively while still achieving the required data quality. Compromises in precision add up to signi.cant losses in quality, which is why the investment in a high-resolution digital back can only be justi.ed in conjunction with appropriately precise camera systems. Because of the smaller pixels of modern sensors, this fact has to be taken into account increasingly.
Sinar m with Autofocus

In a Class of its Own

Concentrate on your subject and leave everything else to the Sinar m and its Sinaron Digital AF Mirror Module. Its autofocus system works with absolute reliability – with the precision of a Swiss clock. What’s more, its speed should thoroughly impress every professional user, because it is among the very fastest of its class. In cooperation with the .rm of Carl Zeiss, the lenses for the autofocus con.guration of the Sinar m camera were specially designed to meet the highest demands of digital photography. This means, among other criteria, high resolving power and the very best contrast rendition all the way to the edges of the image circle. It is not only with regard to optical quality that we have charted new paths with Sinaron Digital AF lenses, but also with their operation: The focus can also be adjusted manually at any time by means of a focusing ring on the lens that reacts intelligently. When that ring is turned slowly, it activates the .nest focusing steps, when the ring is turned quickly, it produces greater focusing steps. A precise exposure metering system was also developed for this system. It has several metering modes and automatic exposure features, as well as TTL .ash control. They make it possible to evaluate light conditions very accurately in any situation, so that a correctly exposed photograph is assured. The Sinar m Medium Format Mirror Module also allows the use of a large variety of Hasselblad V series lenses. In this case, focusing and setting the aperture is performed manually, although the exposure- and focusing systems of the mirror module can also be used in a supporting manner.


Break Loose!

In this con.guration, which is also ideally suitable for mobile applications, the optional Sinar m PowerGrip can be attached to the bottom of the Sinar m by means of a rapid fastening screw. The rechargeable batteries housed in this PowerGrip provide ample energy so that longer shooting sessions can be performed comfortably without external power supplies. A built-in additional lockable release button also makes it possible to work ergonomically also in portrait format.
Sinar m with Nikon Lenses

Small Piture Format - Great Effect!

Don‘t sell those Nikon lenses yet! By using the 35 mm Mirror Module, the Sinar m camera can easily also be converted into a 35 mm single-lens-reflex camera that can be used with a large variety of Nikon lenses opening up a great range of focal lengths for your Sinarback that extends from extreme wide-angle to super telephoto lenses. Additional advantages of the modular Sinar m System: It features a signi.cantly larger image area than those of many digital small image single-lensre .ex cameras and it does not require the annoying focal length multiplying factors that have to be taken into account because of the smaller sensor formats in other cameras. In any case, the full 24 x 36 mm format is at your disposal – even larger, depending on the digital back and the lens that is being used. In this con.guration too, the resolving powers of digital backs and lenses remain in a balanced relationship that ensures the best possible imaging qualities.

Sinar m in the Sinar System

The Sinar m becomes a View Camera

The Sinar m also provides the photographer with a modern shutter system for the Sinar p3 view camera. The functions of the camera can be controlled from the Sinar m and also via the Sinar CaptureShop™ exposure software. The proven Sinaron Digital Lenses, built into the Sinar Electronic Aperture Control (CAB) mounts, can also be controlled by means of the operating elements of the Sinar m as well as via the exposure software. This represents a signi.cant advantage for the user, especially with an elevated camera position, as in reproduction applications. With shutter speeds up to 1/2000 second, the Sinar m is the fastest view camera shutter altogether. That, combined with the Sinar p3, makes the Sinar m the perfect system for everyday use in the studio and also on location.


Everything Under Your Control

Regardless of whether you happen to be positioned at your computer or at the camera, you always have your system under complete control. Every setting that you can make on the Sinar m can also be made by means of the Sinar CaptureShop™ exposure software (requires version 5.2 or higher). The camera system can thus be controlled entirely from the computer and CaptureShop reacts to virtually every input on the camera. Setting changes are synchronized between the computer and the camera, so that accidental operation is impossible. This logical and highly ef.cient integration is an incalculable advantage for the user that systems assembled with components from different manufacturers cannot offer at all or at best only incompletely.
 
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With all that medium format stuff from 2004, this place is quickly morphing into the other Leica fora I left. :rolleyes:

What's next? Single-malt whiskey? Durian cakes?
 
yossarian said:
BTW--there have been a few Tessar derivatives faster than 2.8, but only for SLRs--The Fujinon 55/2.2 and the Riconar 55/2.2.
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yossarian, do you have the block diagrams or other references?

Even the real Tessar in C/Y mount isn't great at f/2.8 - look at the MTF. http://www.zeiss.com/de/photo/home_e.nsf/3187a822cd4605b7c125670900704e24/a82fe043bf31376bc12567a80044ee76/$FILE/Tessar%202,8_45_e.pdf

There is also 2 full stops of light fall-off wide-open.
 
Zeiss lenses for Nikon cameras.

I guess that's fair.

I use Nikon lenses on my Contax.

Maybe they just want to get even, and it took them a really long time to plan revenge.
 
Frank Granovski said:
Is SINAR a new ZEISS name? Where's the ZEISS LOGO? :(
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If you open the PDF inside the link MYSTERY SOLVED the first picture is a Zeiss lense marked 0000001. The brochure and the 2 PDFs lay it all out. "Dont throw out those old Nikon lenses".
 
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If I am reading this correct - this is a digital with and optional full 35mm format sensor back that is fully compatible with Nikkor F-mount lenses!

Am I reading this correct?

What do you think this baby is going to cost? I'm thinking 5-figures.
 
Bryan,
I'm not going to Poo-poo your discoveries at all, but I believe that Zeiss lens is in conjunction with the medium format prism for the Sinar M.

The Sinar M was recently developed as a wicked ueber camera to shoot medium format SLR, small format SLR w/Nikon lenses, autofocus and not, as well as as a view camera with either format, and I can't remember if 4x5 is on the list. It's one hell of a design, something that most people won't be able to figure out, much less afford, but a very very good product for a working pro, especially one working in product advertising, etc.

It certainly wouldn't be much of a step for Zeiss to make autofocus lenses these days, because autofocus technology has almost become a commodity with all the brands that have it...it isn't proprietary technology anymore.

With that said however, from my pale and non-expert understanding, Nikon and Canon, etc. do own proprietary autofocus technology which doesn't work on all lenses, unless you have the correct technology. That could be something that would make a potential Zeiss autofocus lens slightly incompatible with Nikon, or Canon cameras...an example would be Sigma's problems.

And by the way Frank G. for somebody who spends so much time online, you shoould well know that Sinar is not a Zeiss name. It's an old company with a very storied tradition of producing its own products.

And as far as Sony coming out with an F-mount digital, although that would be great, rather than a KM mount (all respect to Konica Minolta, but Minolta has never managed to be first tier) if it is true that Sony approached Nikon and Nikon turned them down, I think it would be doubtful that Sony would come out with an Fmount camera anyway.
It would simply create too much conflict and confusion in the market, and would create some deal of bad blood. It doesn't mean it's impossible, and it also doesn't mean that Nikon couldn't change their mind.

Nikon does have a history however of (rightly) considering themselves to be one of the top dogs in photography, and I doubt very severely that Nikon would let themselves simply become an OEM manufacturer for Sony, or anybody else's cameras. Fuji's and Leica's have never been real competitors for Nikon's core customer base, but Sony could really take away from Nikon's name. Until, and or unless Nikon comes out with a sensor, they're going to try to play the field as if they still are a direct competitor with Canon.

One thing's for sure though....It's a nightmare for camera people that Canon could kill off everybody else in the market, and they will be the only company that produces digital SLR's. The way the market's going, Medium format digital is a little bit of an anachronism, and companies like Mamiya, Hasselblad, etc. are probablly going to go the way of the dodo. We can all hope that once sensor technology matures, that new brands will spring up to fill the void created by a potential monopoly.
 
Mazurka: Are you suggesting a third "camera and" them? Camera & Coffee, Camera & Cheese .... no Camera & Single Malt?

I'm game!
 
With regard to bobofish's comments just above - remember the opening teaser is something like: "millions of SLR users are about to discover...."

Somehow I don't think this Sinar thing is targeting "millions" of prosumer SLR shooters.

I'm still sticking by my first thought that Cosina F-mounts (perhaps under special production controls) are going to be branded as Zeiss.
 
> I doubt very severely that Nikon would let themselves simply become an OEM manufacturer for Sony, or anybody else's cameras.

They did this with their first generation Digital SLR's, teamed with "Fujix". Nikon made most of the camera, "Fujix" did the CCD and electronics. The camera was branded under Fujix and Nikon; the Nikon got the cool red racing stripe on the hand grip. Probably less than a 2,000 cameras made. It was also a full-frame camera, and works with AI and AF lenses. And it works with my SB-29, something the D series will not do.

http://dslrexchange.com/forums/showthread.php?t=193
 
The Sinar m System is now complete.
The modular Sinar System Establishes a New Dimension
At photokina 2002 SINAR AG presented the Sinar m, a trailblazing new element for its modular system. The product that was shown as a concept at that time has now been perfected into a professional camera system. It is the declared objective of the Sinar m System to provide the photographer with a maximum of flexibility. It is designed to make it possible to execute every assignment simply and expediently, with absolutely no compromises in quality. The heart of the Sinar m System is a module that consists of a focal plane shutter and fully electronically controlled operating elements. A range of accessories can quickly be attached with merely a few flicks of the wrist to tailor it to the job at hand. That makes it remarkably effective in every situation,
regardless of whether it is used as a view camera or as a compact camera. The high performance capability of current and future systems requires an extremely precise camera and lens technology. Only with that high level of precision can the performance capability of modern sensors with smaller pixel sizes on the same surface area be utilized effectively while still achieving the required data quality. Compromises in precision add up to significant losses in quality, which is why the investment in a high-resolution digital back can only be justified in conjunction with appropriately precise camera systems. Because of the smaller pixels of modern sensors, this fact has to be taken into account increasingly. An autofocus feature that works with the precision of a Swiss watch movement and with a speed that is among the fastest in its class is available in conjunction with the Sinaron Digital AF Mirror Module and the Sinaron Digital AF lenses from Carl Zeiss. The photographer is free to devote his undivided attention to the subject because a high-grade exposure metering system with several metering modes is available, along with various automatic exposure modes as well as a TTL flash exposure control. Lenses that were designed specifically for digital photography with the Sinar m ensure, among other advantages, high resolution and the best contrast rendition all the way to the edges of the image circle.The mirror module also makes it possible to use a variety of Hasselblad lenses of the V-Series. Focusing and setting the aperture have to be performed manually, but the exposure- and the focus-metering systems of the mirror module can be used in a supporting function. When the 35 mm mirror module is used, various Nikon lenses can be attached. that greatly expands the versatility of the Sinarback digital backs because of the extensive selection of lenses with different focal lengths that range from extreme wide-angle lenses to super telephoto lenses. Because of the oversize CCD sensors in Sinarback digital backs, the full 24 x 36 mm format can be utilized, possibly even more, depending on the digital back and the lens that is being used.
The well-proven Sinar p3 View Camera can be enhanced even further by means of the Sinar m System. Attached to a Sinar p3 View Camera, the Sinar m functions as a modern shutter system that can be controlled via the display on the camera and also by means of CaptureShop Software on a computer. With its shutter speeds of up to 1/2000 second, the Sinar m is the fastest view camera shutter on the market. The Sinar m System is equipped perfectly for the future and it is compatible with all Sinarback models. Thus the Sinar m System is exactly the right product for all professional photographers who demand the greatest possible quality in every photographic assignment and situation.

Source: http://www.sinar.ch/press/release/051124PM_Sinar_m_english.pdf

R.J.
 
Mazurka said:
Why do people keep having trouble reading my posts, or even Mike's? :rolleyes:

It's the Icarex camera that's a Voigtlander design.
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The context of this thread is LENSES, not cameras! I suggest you re-read the post leading to my previous reply. :rolleyes:
 
Well, that looks cheap! I'll get two so I can have a backup body. I certaily will add the accessory Sinar P2. I guess that is it for film!

Actually, Sinar has a sharp design there. It will be very good for a commercial studio. And it is quite an engineering feat.
 
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