What's coming on Dec 21?

[RJBender]

Don't forget the confetti, Bryan.

Someone ate the pastries, took the handwritten note and gave us some confetti.

¡Qué barbaridad!

R.J.

 

[RJBender]

No new donut? Im very disapointed! What exactly is a High-Power lense? I wonder if they ment to say High-Dollar lense and had more translation issues?

High performance, high end... maybe High-Power sounds better in German.

R.J.

 

[Bryan Lee]

Don't forget the confetti, Bryan.

Someone ate the pastries, took the handwritten note and gave us some confetti.

¡Qué barbaridad!

R.J.

RJ, Now that the confetti is on the ground does that mean the party is over? It looks like Ham is bailing out on the thread also, I wonder how many posts will pass by before he jumps back in? Well I just finished a fine meal for lunch as its 12noon here, I have a couple obligations and then time for my one hour Massage. Since CZ didnt give us another donut Ill just get something German from my refrigirator and wait til January 4th.

 

[bmattock]

Ha! I figured it out. The answer is in the jpeg file itself. They say it clearly; "you find out a little more each week from our images." So, I opened the files with a hex editor. LOL, those guys are a riot! More fun than a JK Rowling teaser. Hint; brush up on your German and have a mirror handy. Good luck!

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks

 

[ch1]

Ha! I figured it out. The answer is in the jpeg file itself. They say it clearly; "you find out a little more each week from our images." So, I opened the files with a hex editor. LOL, those guys are a riot! More fun than a JK Rowling teaser. Hint; brush up on your German and have a mirror handy. Good luck!

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks

Okay Bill,

So since many of us are as tech illerierate as the darn pack rat that I'm told continues to enjoy my house in Tucson while I'm stuck here in wintry NYC, when it come to things like opening "the files with a hex editor" - what is it that you "discovered".

Or are you, too, part of the great Zeiss conspiracy?

And yes, RJ and Bryan Lee, after Bill's post - I couldn't resist but to re-enter the thread!

So c'mon Bill, 'fess up, whaddya know?

George

George

 

[Taipei-metro]

Yeah, they MUST be the same lens. And Yashica put 2 more pieces of glass inside to confuse us when they rebranded it as Zeiss. That is such a consipiracy!

Conspiracy of what? To bring down Zeiss? Give me a friggin' break! Zeiss G, Zeiss MM's out of business already.
Go to your library, check out Jan. 2002 issue of Asahi Kamera magazine, turn to page 118. From page 111 to 130 is the article titled " Zeiss and Contax 100 Q & A ", on the top of p.118, there are pictures of two 28mm lenses, on the left is the Distagon, ser. #6758315, on the right, a ML 28mm 2.8c, captioned w 3 lines in Japanese stating, " The Zeiss and the Yashica has the same specs, in real world photographing, the result does not have big difference."
Go ahead and call your contax people, see if there is any batch of ML 28mm lenses w 7-element design, if they did, well, excellent, If they don't, what do I care?
As of that Vario Sonnar 28-80mm 3.5-5.6, is it or is it not the Sigma 28-80...
Drive to your nearest photo shop (Ritz maybe), buy the two lens ( well, it's Quantaray 28-80 now). Bring both lenses home, lay them on top of some cloth, take out your Stanley hammer, apply with equal force, SMASH the lenses, Then check if they broke into same piceses, IF they did, then they must be the same make!
The Zeiss Vario- Sonnar has the same elements, same group layout, same f stops w the Sigma 28-80mm, they are NOT the same with Tokina 28-80, NOT Tamron 28-80 (a non-IF), Not Cosina 28-80... IT'S A Sigma 28-80 f3.5-5.6!
No big deal, you're a Zeiss follower, you are a Zeiss follower.

 

[Taipei-metro]

OT/
I just bought a $1,500 Sony DCR-HC1000, A 3CCD DV Cam, Yes, there is a Zeiss Vario-Sonnar 3.6-43.2mm/ f1.6-2.8 on it. Some other cheaper Sony DV cams has the same lens but branded 'Sony lens', I guess Sony just call up Zeiss and said, " I'll pay you 50 bucks per camera if you let me put your name on my cam..." "Deal..."
Ha ha ha...

 

[ch1]

Yeah, they MUST be the same lens. And Yashica put 2 more pieces of glass inside to confuse us when they rebranded it as Zeiss. That is such a consipiracy!

Conspiracy of what? To bring down Zeiss? Give me a friggin' break! Zeiss G, Zeiss MM's out of business already.
Go to your library, check out Jan. 2002 issue of Asahi Kamera magazine, turn to page 118. From page 111 to 130 is the article titled " Zeiss and Contax 100 Q & A ", on the top of p.118, there are pictures of two 28mm lenses, on the left is the Distagon, ser. #6758315, on the right, a ML 28mm 2.8c, captioned w 3 lines in Japanese stating, " The Zeiss and the Yashica has the same specs, in real world photographing, the result does not have big difference."
Go ahead and call your contax people, see if there is any batch of ML 28mm lenses w 7-element design, if they did, well, excellent, If they don't, what do I care?
As of that Vario Sonnar 28-80mm 3.5-5.6, is it or is it not the Sigma 28-80...
Drive to your nearest photo shop (Ritz maybe), buy the two lens ( well, it's Quantaray 28-80 now). Bring both lenses home, lay them on top of some cloth,take out your Stanley hammer, apply with equal force, SMASH the lenses, Then check if they broke into same piceses, IF they did, then they must be the same make!
The Zeiss Vario- Sonnar has the same elements, same group layout, same f stops w the Sigma 28-80mm, they are NOT the same with Tokina 28-80, NOT Tamron 28-80 (a non-IF), Not Cosina 28-80... IT'S A Sigma 28-80 f3.5-5.6!
No big deal, you're a Zeiss follower, you are a Zeiss follower.

Bravo!

Now THAT'S hitting the nail on the head! :bang:


Thank you, Taipei-metro

 

[Socke]

Ok, time to fire the translator!

The Translation for "Hochleistungsobjektive" is high performance lens.

 

[Socke]

The Zeiss Vario- Sonnar has the same elements, same group layout, same f stops w the Sigma 28-80mm, they are NOT the same with Tokina 28-80, NOT Tamron 28-80 (a non-IF), Not Cosina 28-80... IT'S A Sigma 28-80 f3.5-5.6!
No big deal, you're a Zeiss follower, you are a Zeiss follower.

Last year a german photo magazin made a lens test with midrange zooms and the Carl Zeiss Vario Sonnar T* was the best variable aperture zoom lens in the test.
They bought the lenses in shops all over germany to test the quality a typical customer gets. The Zeiss 28-85/3.3-4.0 lens was the only sample with perfect centering and the best mechanical function as well as the least distortion over the full zoom range.

You can be lucky to get a mechanical perfect Tamron, Tokina or Sigma, but most of the time you have to do QC yourself and return the lenses until you get one without any issues.

It's up to you if you want to spend the money for a lens build and tested to meet highest mechanical and optical standards or you can spend some time to do the testing yourself.

They take QC seriously while I think others just pick up the lens and put the golden QC sticker on if it doesn't fall apart imediatly.

 

[leafy]

OT/
I just bought a $1,500 Sony DCR-HC1000, A 3CCD DV Cam, Yes, there is a Zeiss Vario-Sonnar 3.6-43.2mm/ f1.6-2.8 on it. Some other cheaper Sony DV cams has the same lens but branded 'Sony lens', I guess Sony just call up Zeiss and said, " I'll pay you 50 bucks per camera if you let me put your name on my cam..." "Deal..."
Ha ha ha...

Sigh, this is what FUD is. Nevermind, just believe what you would like to believe and use whatever lens you like. What do I care?

 

[leafy]

Okay Bill,

So since many of us are as tech illerierate as the darn pack rat that I'm told continues to enjoy my house in Tucson while I'm stuck here in wintry NYC, when it come to things like opening "the files with a hex editor" - what is it that you "discovered".

Or are you, too, part of the great Zeiss conspiracy?

And yes, RJ and Bryan Lee, after Bill's post - I couldn't resist but to re-enter the thread!

So c'mon Bill, 'fess up, whaddya know?

George

George

I think he is kidding.....because I actually did put the JPEG into a hex editor :bang:

 

[Frasergjb]

Yeah, they MUST be the same lens. And Yashica put 2 more pieces of glass inside to confuse us when they rebranded it as Zeiss. That is such a consipiracy!

Conspiracy of what? To bring down Zeiss? Give me a friggin' break! Zeiss G, Zeiss MM's out of business already.
Go to your library, check out Jan. 2002 issue of Asahi Kamera magazine, turn to page 118. From page 111 to 130 is the article titled " Zeiss and Contax 100 Q & A ", on the top of p.118, there are pictures of two 28mm lenses, on the left is the Distagon, ser. #6758315, on the right, a ML 28mm 2.8c, captioned w 3 lines in Japanese stating, " The Zeiss and the Yashica has the same specs, in real world photographing, the result does not have big difference."
Go ahead and call your contax people, see if there is any batch of ML 28mm lenses w 7-element design, if they did, well, excellent, If they don't, what do I care?
As of that Vario Sonnar 28-80mm 3.5-5.6, is it or is it not the Sigma 28-80...
Drive to your nearest photo shop (Ritz maybe), buy the two lens ( well, it's Quantaray 28-80 now). Bring both lenses home, lay them on top of some cloth, take out your Stanley hammer, apply with equal force, SMASH the lenses, Then check if they broke into same piceses, IF they did, then they must be the same make!
The Zeiss Vario- Sonnar has the same elements, same group layout, same f stops w the Sigma 28-80mm, they are NOT the same with Tokina 28-80, NOT Tamron 28-80 (a non-IF), Not Cosina 28-80... IT'S A Sigma 28-80 f3.5-5.6!
No big deal, you're a Zeiss follower, you are a Zeiss follower.

Taipei-Metro,

I like your idea of a comparative testing methodology!

Nevertheless, I own the Zeiss 28mm f2.8 and until a couple of weeks ago owned the Yashica 28mm ML lens. They ain't the same, whether in weight, appearance, build or mechanical structure. The ML does perfom very well, but without having the Asahi Kamera magazine to hand, I would imagine they were simply repeating what has often been said - that the Yashica ML range lenses are very high performers, and for most purposes practically indistinguishable from the Zeiss equivalents (The DSB and MC Yashicas are poor performers).

Re the Zeiss 28-80: I assume you are referring to the budget NX autofocus lens. I am quite willing to beleive that it is a re-branded or licensed Sigma (Leica did the same thing with one of its normal zoom manual lenses several years ago), but I would note that the Zeiss has a max aperture of f3.2 not 3.5 - a minor difference, but if true it would mean that the optical elements would be of different dimensions, even if the optical formula is the same/similar. As soon as you use different elements and coatings you are in the relams of "different lens".

Many manufacturers make lenses to the same or similar optical formulas. This doesn't means that they are the same lens, or have the same performance, although they may have similarities in performance characteristics (and most notably aberrations) which arise because of the formula concerned.

 

[bmattock]

I think he is kidding.....because I actually did put the JPEG into a hex editor :bang:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steganography

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks

 

[bmattock]

Okay Bill,

So since many of us are as tech illerierate as the darn pack rat that I'm told continues to enjoy my house in Tucson while I'm stuck here in wintry NYC, when it come to things like opening "the files with a hex editor" - what is it that you "discovered".

Or are you, too, part of the great Zeiss conspiracy?

And yes, RJ and Bryan Lee, after Bill's post - I couldn't resist but to re-enter the thread!

So c'mon Bill, 'fess up, whaddya know?

George

George

They are very literal people over at Zeiss. They said the answer was in the images. That does not mean that the answers are part of the image you see.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steganography

This should be helpful...

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks

 

[Huck Finn]

OT/
I just bought a $1,500 Sony DCR-HC1000, A 3CCD DV Cam, Yes, there is a Zeiss Vario-Sonnar 3.6-43.2mm/ f1.6-2.8 on it. Some other cheaper Sony DV cams has the same lens but branded 'Sony lens', I guess Sony just call up Zeiss and said, " I'll pay you 50 bucks per camera if you let me put your name on my cam..." "Deal..."
Ha ha ha...

And we know it's the same lens because . . .

 

[Huck Finn]

Go to your library, check out Jan. 2002 issue of Asahi Kamera magazine, turn to page 118. From page 111 to 130 is the article titled " Zeiss and Contax 100 Q & A ", on the top of p.118, there are pictures of two 28mm lenses, on the left is the Distagon, ser. #6758315, on the right, a ML 28mm 2.8c, captioned w 3 lines in Japanese stating, " The Zeiss and the Yashica has the same specs, in real world photographing, the result does not have big difference."

Hold the presses. Breaking news! A lens company has copied a Zeiss design!

Wow! What a shock. Let me see now . . . Is it just since WWII that other companies have been copying Zeiss Tessars, Sonnars, Planars, etc., or can we go back to the previous century?

 

[Socke]

Hold the presses. Breaking news! A lens company has copied a Zeiss design!

Wow! What a shock. Let me see now . . . Is it just since WWII that other companies have been copying Zeiss Tessars, Sonnars, Planars, etc., or can we go back to the previous century?

WWII was in the previous century

 

[Huck Finn]

WWII was in the previous century

I meant the century previous to that, i.e. the 19th, when the Tessar was born.

 

[RJBender]

Last year a german photo magazin made a lens test with midrange zooms and the Carl Zeiss Vario Sonnar T* was the best variable aperture zoom lens in the test.
They bought the lenses in shops all over germany to test the quality a typical customer gets. The Zeiss 28-85/3.3-4.0 lens was the only sample with perfect centering and the best mechanical function as well as the least distortion over the full zoom range.

You can be lucky to get a mechanical perfect Tamron, Tokina or Sigma, but most of the time you have to do QC yourself and return the lenses until you get one without any issues.

It's up to you if you want to spend the money for a lens build and tested to meet highest mechanical and optical standards or you can spend some time to do the testing yourself.

They take QC seriously while I think others just pick up the lens and put the golden QC sticker on if it doesn't fall apart imediatly.

Volker, isn't there a strict consumer protection law in Germany that gives consumers the right to return purchases without a reason? If so, is there a time limit such as 90 days?

From what I understand, the law even applies to eBay purchases from professional sellers. More here.
I wonder if the lenses that barely pass QC end up as grey market items.