What's coming on Dec 21?

[RJBender]

Ok, time to fire the translator!

The Translation for "Hochleistungsobjektive" is high performance lens.

LOL. 😛

Wait a minute, isn't it extremely difficult to get fired in the EU?

R.J.

 

[RJBender]

Speaking of translators, the one who wrote this was actually very clever:

Chapter II: The Partner for our Ideal Camera

We at Zeiss are enthusiastic photographers. Demanding optics for photogrammetric, cine lenses for movie production, lenses for exploring the universe, optical measurement equipment, etc. – in all our daily technical developments and advances, we are always thinking of ways to make the technical highlights of these systems useful for photography.

Primarily, we wanted to provide photographers with the strengths of our UltraPrime™ for ARRI. The extremely high image definition enables pictures so crisp they can be displayed at the size of a movie screen without a loss of detail. Thanks to the long-lasting design, they can be used forever and anywhere – in the burning heat as well as the icy cold; in humid rain forests and in the desert – they will be with you for decades. The UltraPrime™ lenses enable intense, pure colors in the picture without annoying reflections and without fog. However, none of our camera manufacturers had a suitable camera in their product lines. And we alone would not have been able to develop and produce such a camera within such a short time. A solution to this dilemma presented itself at photokina 2002

source: http://www.zeissikon.com/making.htm

Are the ZM lenses UltraPrime™? 😀

R.J.

 

[RJBender]

Yeah, they MUST be the same lens. And Yashica put 2 more pieces of glass inside to confuse us when they rebranded it as Zeiss. That is such a consipiracy!

Conspiracy of what? To bring down Zeiss? Give me a friggin' break! Zeiss G, Zeiss MM's out of business already.
Go to your library, check out Jan. 2002 issue of Asahi Kamera magazine, turn to page 118. From page 111 to 130 is the article titled " Zeiss and Contax 100 Q & A ", on the top of p.118, there are pictures of two 28mm lenses, on the left is the Distagon, ser. #6758315, on the right, a ML 28mm 2.8c, captioned w 3 lines in Japanese stating, " The Zeiss and the Yashica has the same specs, in real world photographing, the result does not have big difference."
Go ahead and call your contax people, see if there is any batch of ML 28mm lenses w 7-element design, if they did, well, excellent, If they don't, what do I care?
As of that Vario Sonnar 28-80mm 3.5-5.6, is it or is it not the Sigma 28-80...
Drive to your nearest photo shop (Ritz maybe), buy the two lens ( well, it's Quantaray 28-80 now). Bring both lenses home, lay them on top of some cloth, take out your Stanley hammer, apply with equal force, SMASH the lenses, Then check if they broke into same piceses, IF they did, then they must be the same make!
The Zeiss Vario- Sonnar has the same elements, same group layout, same f stops w the Sigma 28-80mm, they are NOT the same with Tokina 28-80, NOT Tamron 28-80 (a non-IF), Not Cosina 28-80... IT'S A Sigma 28-80 f3.5-5.6!
No big deal, you're a Zeiss follower, you are a Zeiss follower.

Amazon has Asahi Kamera subscriptions for $209 per year ! It looks like the magazine's been published for about 50 years:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6591072796

R.J.

 

[Socke]

Volker, isn't there a strict consumer protection law in Germany that gives consumers the right to return purchases without a reason? If so, is there a time limit such as 90 days?

Not without any reason and not without cost! There is a law covering mailorder and internet sales which alows you to step back 14 days after you bought something. The problem with lenses is where you draw the line if it is defective or not. Say you pay 1600 Euro for a Canon 24-70L and it is slightly front focusing but it is mostly in 1/3 dof on your Canon 20d. This is certainly not what you expect from a lens as expensive as this one, but is it a defect or just sample variation within sensible parameters? Is the body at fault or the lens?
So you send both to Canon for a couple of weeks and get it back with bill and a statement that 1/3 dof is what you can expect from this combination.
If it's not a Canon but a third party lens, you need a very good lawyer to get that sorted out!

 

[RJBender]

are we sure the zf lenses won't be af? i'd be up for a 50/1.4 with good bokeh, but not so much if it's only manual focus.

It doesn't appear to have enough space around the helical for autofocus.

R.J.

 

[Mazurka]

Nevertheless, I own the Zeiss 28mm f2.8 and until a couple of weeks ago owned the Yashica 28mm ML lens. They ain't the same, whether in weight, appearance, build or mechanical structure.

Hardly surprising since the Zeiss lens has 7 elements in 7 groups, so obviously different from either version of the Yashica ML lens.

http://www.contaxcameras.co.uk/slr/slrmanlenses/distagon28.asp
http://www.hi-ho.ne.jp/sbko-hq/YASHICA_ML/ML28mmf2.8.html (7 elements 6 groups)
http://www.hi-ho.ne.jp/sbko-hq/YASHICA_ML/ML28mmf2.8c.html (5 elements 5 groups)

But then again, troll posts tend to have little basis in fact anyway. 🙄

 

[Bryan Lee]

Well its January the 4th at 2am and no new clue yet. Im sorry to say Ill be off line for a few days so I will miss all the excitement. You guys go ahead and have some fun but try to take it easy on the Leicafiles and the ReBrandits.

 

[waterlenz]

Looks like you just CPR'd this thread. The reported Canon-Leica deal should fan the flames as a tangent topic.
Happy 2006!
Tom

 

[Huck Finn]

This thread is insane! 😱 😱

21,000 hits & 470 posts. Oh, mother . . . 🙄

 

[JoeFriday]

http://www.zeiss.com/C12567A8003B58B9?Open

"More on Wednesday, January 4th..... The solution will be revealed on 01/18/06. Until then, you will find out a little more each week from our images."

basically, what I'm finding out is that Zeiss are pissing me off with their games

 

[RObert Budding]

http://www.zeiss.com/C12567A8003B58B9?Open

"More on Wednesday, January 4th..... The solution will be revealed on 01/18/06. Until then, you will find out a little more each week from our images."

basically, what I'm finding out is that Zeiss are pissing me off with their games

They sure seem to be generating a lot of interest!

 

[Bryan Lee]

They sure seem to be generating a lot of interest!

The term to much time on our hands comes to mind, I think there is probably 5 guys excited and 10 of us chatting it up. The truth is there is not much new in the film world and the future is getting shorter by the minute. If this lense group is for the sole purpose of film cameras and is not designed for use with digital gear it will in all likelyhood be the last new thing in analog small format lenses. Im outa here, At least for a couple days.

 

[Socke]

This thread is insane! 😱 😱

21,000 hits & 470 posts. Oh, mother . . . 🙄

It surpassed camera and coffee!

 

[Taipei-metro]

Hardly surprising since the Zeiss lens has 7 elements in 7 groups, so obviously different from either version of the Yashica ML lens.

http://www.contaxcameras.co.uk/slr/slrmanlenses/distagon28.asp
http://www.hi-ho.ne.jp/sbko-hq/YASHICA_ML/ML28mmf2.8.html (7 elements 6 groups)
http://www.hi-ho.ne.jp/sbko-hq/YASHICA_ML/ML28mmf2.8c.html (5 elements 5 groups)

But then again, troll posts tend to have little basis in fact anyway. 🙄

I know you are a Zeiss Nazi, nothing can change your narrow mind.

The Kiron/vivitar, Sigma Wide, Wide-II 28/2.8, Tokina RMC, Tamron BBAR, Pentax-A,M, Takumar 28/2.8, Canon FD, NewFD, Celtic 28/2.8, Nikon, Olympus Zuiko 28 2.8,
Rokinon, Makinon, Ozawa, Taiwan's Cosmicar, CPC, 28 2.8,
Even 28mm f 2.8 from Sears, K-Mart Focal, JCPenny( one was w a 8-element 28/2.8) had the 7-element design,
WHAT'S so hard to understand that there is a batch of Yashica's w 7-element Distagon layout? You can have your own Mazurka Distagon knock-outs brand in 3 days , if you order a couple of hundred of them! 99% of the worldwide lens production is in Japan, China, Taiwan, and some SE Asia countries that Japanese Imperial Army used to 'stationed'.
The Japanese learned from the Americans to cut 'cost', modern 28/2.8s are now designed in 5-element layout. Cosina, Tokina SL, Nikon E-series 28 2.8, even the
Canon EF, Nikon 28 2.8 AF-Non D, even the great 28 on TC-1 was a 5-elementer,
Nikkor 28/2.8 have a 7 and 8 element on Ai, Ai-S, now that's cutting into Leica Elmarit-R territory.
As I said, ZeissG, MM,N, lenses, Hassellblad Zeiss, are ALL out of biz(or production), Zeiss Cine are more for rental buz since most Hollywood production house RENT lenses to shoot movies(another story for tuff film production in Hollywwood).
I bet you never got out of Midland(or Jonestown whatever) TX.?
There you go,

 

[Paul T.]

" I know you are a Zeiss Nazi, nothing can change your narrow mind."

Woa. I'm sure you'll win over lots of people with reasoning like that.

 

[Socke]

I know you are a Zeiss Nazi, nothing can change your narrow mind.

Since I have lots of japanese Zeiss glass and am german, you should be very afraid off Zeiss fans reviving old german - japanese relations 😀

 

[Taipei-metro]

Zeiss Nazi as Soup Nazi in Seinfeld Show!
Real Nazi's azz were kicked by the Americans, WWII, remember.
Read the post, scare not, no more Nazi, Israel has her own country!
Happy 2006.

 

[Paul T.]

"Real Nazi's azz were kicked by the Americans..."

Oh yeah? Another dodgy generalisation. Tell that to the CCCP troops who faced two-thirds of the Nazi manpower. Anyway, this is irrelevance on irrelevance. Auf wiedersehen.

 

[Socke]

I don't know who Seinfeld is and I haven't seen his show, but I know that there are (Neo-)Nazis in Germany with whom I don't want to be confused.

 

[Taipei-metro]

Amazon has Asahi Kamera subscriptions for $209 per year ! It looks like the magazine's been published for about 50 years:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6591072796

R.J.

Compare to $10 a yeay US Popular Photography, Asahi Kamera worth every penny for $209/year. (average 410 page per issue)
Not only Asahi, Nippon, CAPA, Cameraman, Compact Camera, to name a few, they also published Asahi Digital, Nippon Digital, CAPA digital magazine etc, also a big Degitaru Kamera(Digital Camera)Magazine, that are full w infos.
Your GAS implossions, attacks, will follow of course. In Taipei, I frequent a book store that sells back issues( 2-3-4 months old) for 3 for about $20. Although both my parents are 'legally Japanese until 1945, I was born 20 years later (two older sisters), I have to study Japanese hard to be able to read these excellent magazines. Thank my great Chinese ancestor who invented Chinese Characters that Japanese used them in their written language even today.
OT/
If you studt, hey Loretdem, you wouldn't buy that Epson. Putting all your balls(eggs? girls are w eggs) in one basket.
About 100, or more camera stores in one camera district( the other district sells digital stuff only, maybe more than 200 stores there) in Taipei.
Exactly a year ago I paid around $600 w credit card withhold by the camera store for 3 months rental( that's their deal, at least a 3 months lease afterwards, month by month) of RD1 w 35/2.5 VC( one of the cheapest lens, other than F Russian lenses of course), I find it INCOVNVENIENT as hell for my work, it didn't break down thought. I gave it back a week before 3-month. Sorry Epson, you meant well, Canon, Nikon the giant CAMERA co doesn't even want to touch imitation film M digitals. I bet those who got the ideas of R-D1 marketers are all making watchs now, not Seiko, the cheaper Seiko, Pulars! L.O.L.