What's coming on Dec 21?


A side bar here, This is a camera forum. The reason most of us read it is to get differant opinions. While most of us speak pretty good English we all miss the mark on occasion so dont go negative on something not perfectly written. I believe everyone has contributed and its very interesting, dont bail out or resort to name calling. This is not some kind of camera street thug forum witha bunch off photograhpy tough guys, This aint Pelican Bay, nor Compton, and we aint gonna be meeting out behind a camera show with my guys against your guys and motercycle chains. There are plenty of hardcore forums like Religion, Politics, Knife and Gun, where you can go off and people belittle each other because of hardend beliefs. "You can have my camera when you pry it from cold dead fingers" or " If you outlaw cameras only outlaws will have cameras"or " When I die please put somemore film in my camera he was my best friend" you see none of this quite works with photography, Its just about taking pictures.
 
Well, I don't mind that my Nikkors and Nikons are made in Japan, or even China for that matter. However, I'm tickled pink that a German company will be making Nikkor knock-offs in Japan. Amazing, isn't it? Japanese-German glass. ;)
 
Well not too amazing, Frank, after all, you do have a G2 with a few Japanese German lenses...Wait, those must be rebranded too. :D

I want to see a Botswanan optics company! Or maybe a Siberian optics company? Pierogikon for example? The lens graphs could be measured not with MTF's, but rather PORK's...
 
And don't forget my new Japanese-German Cosina-Voigtlander camera. :D
 
copake_ham said:
I guess Zeiss is not what one would call a "leading edge" company.
George
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Reading all your derisive contributions I recognize that you guess permanently anything and that you know almost nothing about Zeiss however.
Now let me guess too: I guess that's the fate of all who keep photo mags as a reliable source for their photographical education ?

bertram
 
OK - the Zeiss SLR lenses use 30 - 40 year old designs, but that doesn't stop them being first class in all respects.

I think of Zeiss lenses the same way I think of UNIX - created in the 60s/70s - and still for me one of the most elegant and capable and beautiful technical achievements - ever... also the Linn Sondek turntable - now fourty years old and easilly able of outperforming any CD player on the planet.

Cutting edge means nothing unless it forges genuine new ground, and that is very rare these days. For small format, their lenses are already wonderfully capable. I cannot imagine that, within the limits of the natural vibration from the camera, mechanical tollerances within the camera, film flatness issues, diffraction effects and the resolving power of emulsions - that there is anything to be gained by redesigning their SLR line of lenses.
 
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"Reality is, that company hasn't developed anything new in a dog's age. It may be living off its reputation with a few but certainly not on it's innovation with the rest of us."

Wow reality is it? Zeiss just builds the most sophistocated electron microscopes and planetariums and thats not inovation? You say the only thing you have seen the Zeiss brand on is Zeiss wipes? Half of the Sony digital camera line have Zeiss lenses! You didnt notice that? This is clearly ignorance on your part to which you seem totally unable to realize or admit to.
 
copake_ham said:
What is the lens-equivelent of "vaporware"?

George
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Probably the coating, it is applied to the lens as a vapour in a nearly total vacuum. :p
 
Socke said:
Frank, I'm looking for him, too.

It's Christmas folks!
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Yes, you are right. I feel guilty , i stepped into this s**t heap too, again the stupid reflex! :rolleyes:
Frohe Weihnacht ! to all, I wish you all a happy and peaceful X-mas time ! :D

Regards,
Bertram
 
Frank Granovski said:
Well, I don't mind that my Nikkors and Nikons are made in Japan, or even China for that matter. However, I'm tickled pink that a German company will be making Nikkor knock-offs in Japan. Amazing, isn't it? Japanese-German glass. ;)
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Agreed!

And this whole thread - and the "other one" are more about a bunch of aging Europhile men "fondling" their Zeiss and Leica lenses and wishing they could still "perform"! :D

Let's see - the Zeissphiles are all sitting in anxious anticipation of a new line of manual F-mount lenses for film-based, manual Nikon SLRs.

Meanwhile, Nikon and Canon are in head-to-head competition to see who can produces the fastest AF zoom with latest VR technology?

Is there a time warp here or something? :bang:

Merry Navidad and Feliz Christmas to All, :angel:
George
a.k.a. copake_ham

P.S. Never an "ad hominem" never, never never.... ;)
 
Well this Nikon user has his latest generation all-mechanical, hand-made Nikon F2AS with a 55mm F1.2 Ai lens waiting for tomorrow morning. And a Canon 7 with the Summitar, and Polaroid. Because Nikki always asks, "Dad, can you get the Polaroid". I'll have to load up the 180 with its Zeiss-Ikon Rangefinder. Wish the Contax had that viewfinder on it. The framelines change size to compensate for the changing FOV with distance, like a Konica S2.

I'll probably whip out the Nikon S2 that has been re-shimmed to work with the Zeiss-Opton 5cm f1.5 Sonnar. It's always loaded.

Merry Christmas, everyone.
 
Brian, you're da man!

I just returned from a party where I shot a digital Canon with a Sigma lens.

I sbelly dance the correct translation for "Bauchtanz"? Got some nice shots :)
 
Brian Sweeney said:
Well this Nikon user has his latest generation all-mechanical, hand-made Nikon F2AS with a 55mm F1.2 Ai lens waiting for tomorrow morning. And a Canon 7 with the Summitar, and Polaroid. Because Nikki always asks, "Dad, can you get the Polaroid". I'll have to load up the 180 with its Zeiss-Ikon Rangefinder. Wish the Contax had that viewfinder on it. The framelines change size to compensate for the changing FOV with distance, like a Konica S2.

I'll probably whip out the Nikon S2 that has been re-shimmed to work with the Zeiss-Opton 5cm f1.5 Sonnar. It's always loaded.

Merry Christmas, everyone.
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Hi Brian,

Actually, we are on close synch.

A tool for every project - and not every tool has to be the latest.

But when folks go "crazy" with speculation as to the introduction by a "follower" company of a product line based on 50+ y.o. technology - it's hard to understand the excitement.

I'm "shooting" my Christmas with a combo that includes a F-5, D-70 and R2S.

But, hey no surprise, not a Zeiss lens in the pack. The first two bodies require F-mounts and the other uses a S-mount.

Just love my Nikkors!!! :D

Merry Christmas,
George
 
Frank Granovski said:
Well, I don't mind that my Nikkors and Nikons are made in Japan, or even China for that matter. However, I'm tickled pink that a German company will be making Nikkor knock-offs in Japan. Amazing, isn't it? Japanese-German glass. ;)
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"Nikkor knock-offs"? :confused:

What am I missing here, Frank?

Huck
 
copake_ham said:
Leafy,

Baton is passed. Now it's your turn to deal with the "Zeiss" crowd.
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Sorry Ham, but my digging up the term 'rebranding' was meant for you, who I think got it wrong in the first place. And that is the reason I think the 'Zeiss crowd' were after your postings.

copake_ham said:
Reality is, that company hasn't developed anything new in a dog's age. It may be living off its reputation with a few but certainly not on it's innovation with the rest of us.

Now. don't get me wrong, their "handi-wipes" are okay. Although they do tend to dry out faster than most but, well, they're okay.

I guess Zeiss is not what one would call a "leading edge" company. But let's keep in mind that they did just "discover" the Nikon F-mount. Give them a few more decades and they will "invent" the digital image sensor too.

Time to move on.

Have fun,
George
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It doesn't matter to me if it is 'new' or 'old' or 'bleeding edge'. As long as Cosina built stuff that are up to Zeiss's QA level, I am happy with that. Meaning that Cosina did not take a CV lens and call it a Zeiss. That, I would call 'rebranding'.
 
Zeiss still has some of the ZF images on their website:


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source:

http://www.zeiss.de/C12567A8003B8B6F/GraphikTitelIntern/KVHomepageZF06gross/$File/06_gross.jpg

05_gross.jpg


source:

http://www.zeiss.de/C12567A8003B8B6F/GraphikTitelIntern/KVHomepageZF05gross/$File/05_gross.jpg

03_gross.jpg


source:

http://www.zeiss.de/C12567A8003B8B6F/GraphikTitelIntern/KVHomepageZF03gross/$File/03_gross.jpg

Look at the Nikon F6 at the left of the top photo. Notice that the edge of the "Planar" is almost touching the bottom of the prism finder.
Compare it to this image.
f6hs.jpg


source: http://www.photowind.net/UploadFiles/Product/2004926/f6hs.jpg

The 50mm f/1.4 has a filter diameter of 52mm. If you retrieve the F6 image from your temporary internet files, you can see that there are 160 pixels from one edge of the filter ring to the other. The 50mm f/1.4 Nikkor has a diameter of 52mm. That means that the scale is 1 pixel = .325mm

If you take the "Planar" image and rotate it clockwise 30 degrees, you can see that the top of the "Planar" filter ring is 14 pixels below the bottom of the "k" in "Nikon". The width if the "Nikon" logo at the bottom is 43 pixels. So the distance below the "k" is 1/3 (14/43) the width of the Nikon logo.

In the F6 image, there are 90 pixels across the base of the Nikon Logo. 1/3 of 90 is 30 pixels below the "k." This point is 39 pixels above the top of the 50mm filter ring or 13mm (39 x .325 mm per pixel)

That means that this "Planar" would have a filter ring diameter of at least 78mm (52+13+13=78). Nikon's 85mm f/1.4 manual focus lens has a filter ring diameter of 72mm. The filter ring diameter for the Contax 85mm f/1.4 Planar is only 67mm.

Another point to consider, if this ZF "Planar" actually exists, how will the outside of the lens barrel clear bottom of the prism finder?

R.J.
 
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