RJBender
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Bryan Lee said:
The funny thing if you google < bertram photo > and then count down to number 8.
I get a yacht named the Marlin Monroe. It doesn't have a trolling motor on it. I don't get it.
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RJBender said:I get a yacht named the Marlin Monroe. It doesn't have a trolling motor on it. I don't get it.
R.J.
R.J.
My point exactly, that's what I came up with on number 8 googling from the US. Apparently Google is "smart" enough to prioritize things based on the place of origin of the query.
Brian Lee goodled from SE Asia (Thailand, I think) and his number 8 is different.
That boat name is a hoot, BTW.
Regards,
George
Taipei-metro
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Try Sullvian Library-News, before yacht thing.copake_ham said:
Brother Bertram B. ...Photo exhibition...
Is he a man of God?
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Taipei-metro said:
Okay, I opened that one.
And yes, he is (was) a Christian brother (didn't read whole thing to determine which order).
The photos refer to pictures he took of Hawaii before it was annexed by the U.S.
So your point then is?
Bertram2
Gone elsewhere
Socke said:Which will bring you to http://www.viernheim.de/kirchenundkjg.0.html if you're using google with a german localized version of mozilla
Socke ,
somehow I think it would not make sense for me to comment this humor of a 6yo ?
I am outta here now, I don't want to get part of this embarrasing sandshovel fight !
:angel:
bertram
halabar
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And while the rest of you are discussing race, imperialism, politics, and God-knows-what-else...
Nikon announced today that it was dropping LF lenses, and ceasing production of all but 2 film bodies (F6 and FM10), and only only continuing to produce about 8 manual prime lenses. All other manual lenses will stop production.
So, this would seem to open the door for the Zeiss ZF lenses?.. No?....
Nikon announced today that it was dropping LF lenses, and ceasing production of all but 2 film bodies (F6 and FM10), and only only continuing to produce about 8 manual prime lenses. All other manual lenses will stop production.
So, this would seem to open the door for the Zeiss ZF lenses?.. No?....
bobofish
Two-fisted Atom Smasher
The Nazi thing is below us, gentlemen.
My previous comments were meant largely toungue in cheek, but googling WWII minutia is totally irrelevant.
Back to the subject at hand, yes indeed it would seem to give Zeiss a little hand up in the manual lens categories...as well as a possible opening for Cosina to make some film bodies. I don't believe that that is a prudent strategy though, and I don't believe that there will be a flood of film cameras in Nikon mount coming out anytime soon.
Simply stated, there are too many film bodies in circulation already...Zeiss isn't stupid enough, or backward enough to through millions into the development of a whole new manual line in Nikon mount or any other mount. Until digital matures a bit, Zeiss will likely be aiming their lenses at both avid film phtographers, and digital photographers who are not satisfied with the lenses they can get.
A tremendously wise strategy would be for Zeiss to develop "digital ready" lenses for dslr's...there have been a lot of waves in the market from people who don't like vignetting and softening in the corners. Even the guy who runs Luminous Landscape has mentioned that Nikon and Canon need reformulated digital lenses.
My previous comments were meant largely toungue in cheek, but googling WWII minutia is totally irrelevant.
Back to the subject at hand, yes indeed it would seem to give Zeiss a little hand up in the manual lens categories...as well as a possible opening for Cosina to make some film bodies. I don't believe that that is a prudent strategy though, and I don't believe that there will be a flood of film cameras in Nikon mount coming out anytime soon.
Simply stated, there are too many film bodies in circulation already...Zeiss isn't stupid enough, or backward enough to through millions into the development of a whole new manual line in Nikon mount or any other mount. Until digital matures a bit, Zeiss will likely be aiming their lenses at both avid film phtographers, and digital photographers who are not satisfied with the lenses they can get.
A tremendously wise strategy would be for Zeiss to develop "digital ready" lenses for dslr's...there have been a lot of waves in the market from people who don't like vignetting and softening in the corners. Even the guy who runs Luminous Landscape has mentioned that Nikon and Canon need reformulated digital lenses.
Mazurka
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Another nail on the film coffin?
Another nail on the film coffin?
Sadly, my Dec 20 suspicion is largely confirmed: http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?p=186031#post186031
Then I guess the ZF range could possibly be "digital ready" -- the Contax versions (especially the wideangles) slightly tweaked perhaps? This could also explain why the teasers feature only 50 and 85mm lenses, both of which don't have light fall-off problems with APS-C sized digital sensors. Wideangles will probably be further down the line because of the required development.
Another nail on the film coffin?
Sadly, my Dec 20 suspicion is largely confirmed: http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?p=186031#post186031
bobofish said:
Then I guess the ZF range could possibly be "digital ready" -- the Contax versions (especially the wideangles) slightly tweaked perhaps? This could also explain why the teasers feature only 50 and 85mm lenses, both of which don't have light fall-off problems with APS-C sized digital sensors. Wideangles will probably be further down the line because of the required development.
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Mazurka said:
Perhaps it is all just now starting to come together?
Maybe the ZF lenses are not intended to "replace" certain Nikkors but to "succeed" them in at certain focal lengths?
Problem with that analysis is that Nikon is apparently continuing production of the standard manual primes.
Or are they?
Guess we will all find out soon - now that Nikon has begun to "drop the other shoe".
Nikon/Zeiss/Cosina Inc.? Anything is possible during a restructuring/realighment of a shifting industry.
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Frank Granovski
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Perhaps Cosina is buying both Zeiss and Nikon.
halabar
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copake_ham said:
If you look at the press statements from various Nikon sources, the lenses that will continue to be made vary somewhat, so this story probably isn't finished.
It certainly is an open door for a manafacturer that can address a smaller market.
Bertram2
Gone elsewhere
halabar said:
The Zeiss idea would not make sense without the Nikon decisions, both suck profit from this strategy and so I think there has been a kinda coordination for all this.
bertram
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Bertram2 said:
source: http://www.zeiss.de/C12567A8003B8B6F/GraphikTitelIntern/KVHomepageZF06gross/$File/06_gross.jpg
Yes, it seems that way now. Why would Nikon let Zeiss use their F6 and FM camera bodies to promote the new ZF lenses? Perhaps Nikon had to make their announcement first and that is why the Zeiss announcement was postponed.
R.J.
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source: http://www.zeiss.de/C12567A8003B58B9/?Open
So that explains the delay. Nikon had to make their announcement first.
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RJBender said:source: http://www.zeiss.de/C12567A8003B8B6F/GraphikTitelIntern/KVHomepageZF06gross/$File/06_gross.jpg
Yes, it seems that way now. Why would Nikon let Zeiss use their F6 and FM camera bodies to promote the new ZF lenses? Perhaps Nikon had to make their announcement first and that is why the Zeiss announcement was postponed.
R.J.
Bingo!
Nikon avoids accusations of "abandoning" it's MF lens users by licensing over production to Cosina which "brands" under the Zeiss name.
This isn't the 1950's folks and the idea of "national champions" is ridiculous in the era of global corporate alliances.
Cosina/Zeiss are betting on being major players in a sunset industry which they believe has some "life" left in it.
Nikon gains a graceful segue out of much MF lens production without damaging its relationships with its heretofore loyal customers.
Essentially conceived by all three as a win-win-win arrangement.
Why is this plain and obvious so difficult for some to see?
RJBender
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George, did you read this?
source: http://www.zeiss.de/c12567a8003b58b9/Contents-Frame/5abd5bc6297eb165c12570f900407e35
R.J.
source: http://www.zeiss.de/c12567a8003b58b9/Contents-Frame/5abd5bc6297eb165c12570f900407e35
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leafy
Established
They are releasing "2" lenses. *ONLY* 2! That's pathetique for a 6 week marketing hype.
Trius
Waiting on Maitani
More coming at Photokina. I don't care whether the marketing hype was overdone or not. Glass is more important.
Bryan Lee
Expat Street Photographer
CLN: And why did Zeiss decide on the Nikon F mount?
Dr. Scherle: We had three main reasons:
1) Nikon has, for half a century, earned a great reputation with professional photographers. They began with copies of Zeiss Ikon Contax rangefinder cameras right after the World War II. In the 1960's they introduced their famous Nikon F SLR and with this legendary camera and its successors Nikon established the standard for professional 35 mm SLR's worldwide.
2) As a result the Nikon F mount became popular in the field of industrial optics, since these mass-produced lenses were available off the shelf, at reasonable cost, everywhere in the world. Carl Zeiss has been active in the field of industrial optics for a long time and now, with ZF, expands its offerings to this market.
3) Also, we work closely with Sinar, the Swiss maker of professional cameras, and supply them with autofocus medium format lenses for the Sinar m camera system. For this camera they also have a 35 mm SLR module with Nikon F mount. Now, with ZF, users of this module can just bayonet a genuine Zeiss lens onto their cameras to satisfy their really high-end needs.
Do I win the pool?
Just when everyone thought it had nothing to do with SINAR, Maybe I will only get to say this one time but,
I told you so
Dr. Scherle: We had three main reasons:
1) Nikon has, for half a century, earned a great reputation with professional photographers. They began with copies of Zeiss Ikon Contax rangefinder cameras right after the World War II. In the 1960's they introduced their famous Nikon F SLR and with this legendary camera and its successors Nikon established the standard for professional 35 mm SLR's worldwide.
2) As a result the Nikon F mount became popular in the field of industrial optics, since these mass-produced lenses were available off the shelf, at reasonable cost, everywhere in the world. Carl Zeiss has been active in the field of industrial optics for a long time and now, with ZF, expands its offerings to this market.
3) Also, we work closely with Sinar, the Swiss maker of professional cameras, and supply them with autofocus medium format lenses for the Sinar m camera system. For this camera they also have a 35 mm SLR module with Nikon F mount. Now, with ZF, users of this module can just bayonet a genuine Zeiss lens onto their cameras to satisfy their really high-end needs.
Do I win the pool?
Just when everyone thought it had nothing to do with SINAR, Maybe I will only get to say this one time but,
I told you so