Brian Atherton
Well-known
back alley
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i'm sorta glad that canada is not a mostly muslim country...
back alley
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my little waterproof panasonic is smaller than my iPhone...
kxl
Social Documentary
And used laptops and used tablets... Definitely a good business model, especially if you can acquire your inventory from other passengers' checked luggage.
Roger Hicks
Veteran
Dear Brian,
Would this have anything to do with the fact that more and more, the English can be astonishingly servile?
Cheers,
R.
Roger Hicks
Veteran
nikon_sam
Shooter of Film...
Here are the cities...
The ban was revealed on Monday in statements from Royal Jordanian Airlines and the official news agency of Saudi Arabia. It will apply to non-stop flights to the US from 10 international airports serving the cities of Cairo in Egypt; Amman in Jordan; Kuwait City in Kuwait; Casablanca in Morocco; Doha in Qatar; Riyadh and Jeddah in Saudi Arabia; Istanbul in Turkey; and Abu Dhabi and Dubai in the United Arab Emirates, according to a US official.
If you're not traveling to these places you'll be okay...lets not get all Chicken Little about this...
The ban was revealed on Monday in statements from Royal Jordanian Airlines and the official news agency of Saudi Arabia. It will apply to non-stop flights to the US from 10 international airports serving the cities of Cairo in Egypt; Amman in Jordan; Kuwait City in Kuwait; Casablanca in Morocco; Doha in Qatar; Riyadh and Jeddah in Saudi Arabia; Istanbul in Turkey; and Abu Dhabi and Dubai in the United Arab Emirates, according to a US official.
If you're not traveling to these places you'll be okay...lets not get all Chicken Little about this...
Hogarth Ferguson
Well-known
This is wildly frustrating. My wife was reading this last night, as we have a flight from Doha, Qatar later this year, and she works with her laptop. I figured we would just check a bag (something I have not had to do since I had to check a tripod in Brazil), but this is wildly frustrating.
Say what you will about safety, but this is just bull, if it was not, this would apply to everywhere, not just 10 mostly Muslim countries.
Where did the underwear bomber fly from? Amsterdam. Where did the 9/11 hijackers come from? USA. This is just the grudgemaster-in-chief figuring out another way to inconvenience people who aren't white christians.
"The terrorist boogeyman strikes again, causing far more alarm and concern than, you know, actual terrorists."
This is wildly frustrating. Of course, no problems on planes in the last forever, yet that is where we focus everything. UGHHHHH
Say what you will about safety, but this is just bull, if it was not, this would apply to everywhere, not just 10 mostly Muslim countries.
Where did the underwear bomber fly from? Amsterdam. Where did the 9/11 hijackers come from? USA. This is just the grudgemaster-in-chief figuring out another way to inconvenience people who aren't white christians.
"The terrorist boogeyman strikes again, causing far more alarm and concern than, you know, actual terrorists."
This is wildly frustrating. Of course, no problems on planes in the last forever, yet that is where we focus everything. UGHHHHH
Brian Atherton
Well-known
Dear Roger,
Dunno.
Possibly it could be because shared intelligence with the US has thrown up a new security loophole that needs plugging.
Hogarth Ferguson
Well-known
But that is the issue. some of these places, Qatar and UAE have built up spectacular airlines that are on par with or better than any airline in the world. This is a huge problem for that reason.
cz23
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Wouldn't you think there would be at least some overlap between the travel ban and device ban countries? There is not:
Device ban: Jordan, Qatar, Kuwait, Morocco, United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia, and Turkey
Travel ban: Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen.
If laptops are a threat, why would potential terrorists from the (overruled) travel ban countries be allowed to carry them?
This is confusing. But what isn't these days?
John
Device ban: Jordan, Qatar, Kuwait, Morocco, United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia, and Turkey
Travel ban: Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen.
If laptops are a threat, why would potential terrorists from the (overruled) travel ban countries be allowed to carry them?
This is confusing. But what isn't these days?
John
Roger Hicks
Veteran
Dear Brian,
Nah. Occam's Razor: authoritarian nutter. Explains everything else, including the GO HOME OR FACE ARREST vans (Treese's idea).
Cheers,
R.
Hogarth Ferguson
Well-known
Really though? Do any airlines from those countries fly direct to the usa? No, but Turkish Air, Qatar, Emirates, and others fly from those countries direct to the USA, its a pretty easy thing to see.
No one can fly from DC to Somalia direct, but I can buy a ticket that routes me from DC to Istanbul to Mogadishu on Turkish Air.
Hogarth Ferguson
Well-known
Yes, I am concerned about people from those countries not being able to fly with their devices. Equally, I am concerned with people from all over the world who fly through those ports, such as myself.
Phil_F_NM
Camera hacker
Roger,
We're working on just that.
My brother did it "right" and went to work in Antacrtica about ten years ago and just never moved back to the US. He now lives in Australia, has permanent residency and owns a business.
Phil Forrest
Brian Atherton
Well-known
Well, yes. I take your point, Roger.
There’s also the possibility that if one makes enough dumb decisions, by the law of averages, one might turn out to be the correct one.
tunalegs
Pretended Artist
All of these bans are more or less stupid and pointless posturing, and only seem to be implemented to convince the astonishingly simpleminded among the public that something "is being done". Nobody ever blew anything up with a bottle of shampoo, and yet we can't take a bottle of shampoo on.
Once on my way back from a vintage car show they inspected a small wrench set I had with me, taking the largest wrench and measuring it to make sure it wasn't dangerous. What a load of nonsense. It's all so mind mindbogglingly stupid.
Once on my way back from a vintage car show they inspected a small wrench set I had with me, taking the largest wrench and measuring it to make sure it wasn't dangerous. What a load of nonsense. It's all so mind mindbogglingly stupid.
Hogarth Ferguson
Well-known
I feel like there are two kinds of embarrassed. One is your parents embarrassing you because they are your parents, you grow up and realize they were doing things to help you and you realize you were wrong.That is Obama
One is your drunk friend puking on a taxi driver and then yelling racist nonsene at him. This is trump.
Flying has become such a hassle. I fly all the time, and i look forward to the day I can travel overland. No liquid bombs, EVER, yet we cannot bring liquids on the plane. Take shoes off. Take laptop out. scan my entire body. blah blah. I feel like it is just a sense of security.
Reminds me of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGGQWfLzkeE
Huss
Veteran
The baggage handlers are going to love this. They steal stuff all the time, and now will steal even more knowing there will be a bounty of valuables just waiting for their picking.
Which leads to another question, how is it that baggage handlers are given a carte blanche to steal? Right there is a massive security hole. They should be checked going into work to make sure nothing is put into luggage by them - not sure if this is done - and they should be checked leaving work to make sure they aren't taking property with them.
I wouldn't be smug as a film user - they may next insist to pack it with regular luggage and then it will be toast from the high level xrays. And even if cameras weren't the issue (which obviously is the main interest here as a photography website), the way luggage is handled your laptop may not make it through due to damage. Assuming it is not stolen.
And anyone else think that this will not be an opportunity for 'them' to make a copy of your hard drive while it is out of your sight? Or upload snooping software?
Which leads to another question, how is it that baggage handlers are given a carte blanche to steal? Right there is a massive security hole. They should be checked going into work to make sure nothing is put into luggage by them - not sure if this is done - and they should be checked leaving work to make sure they aren't taking property with them.
I wouldn't be smug as a film user - they may next insist to pack it with regular luggage and then it will be toast from the high level xrays. And even if cameras weren't the issue (which obviously is the main interest here as a photography website), the way luggage is handled your laptop may not make it through due to damage. Assuming it is not stolen.
And anyone else think that this will not be an opportunity for 'them' to make a copy of your hard drive while it is out of your sight? Or upload snooping software?
Dogman
Veteran
I thought Lithium Ion batteries (the stuff that keeps cameras, iPads, etc., running) were not to be carried in checked bags.
But then I haven't flown in a few years.
But then I haven't flown in a few years.