dimitris
Established
Its a digital camera. Eventually they will go down. Especially after Leica comes up with M10 & M11.
I'd say this is exactly true... I've never seen an M8 sold saying it had issues. With the first version of the M8, that shutter issue can happen at any time with any camera regardless of condition. Believe me, I had it happen.
I think that is what he is saying. I agree with him in some form. I think this is definetely something people will think about instead of the M8 as a starter rangefinder type camera. However, I just don't see it driving down the price of any Leica. In our insular world here at RFF I think we forget that we don't represent the mainstream world of cameras, that these products are not loved by everyone, and are sold in relatively small quantities.
I cannot think of a single case where Leicas prices were affected by another camera being announced. I'm sure they were somewhere, but I cannot pinpoint it.
popeye
Established
me thinks so, yes. Ultimately we'll know around 2Q/2011 or so...
dof
Fiat Lux
The Nikon F perhaps?
popeye
Established
Electronics do not in fact last forever... Sometimes not even long enough for shelf life:
http://nepp.nasa.gov/whisker/
and:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whisker_(metallurgy)
and:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/apr/03/research.engineering
http://nepp.nasa.gov/whisker/
and:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whisker_(metallurgy)
and:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/apr/03/research.engineering
Electronics blow out, die over time. Modern electronics with very small pathways are likely to burn out before the electronics from 10 years ago. CCD's can die, and pick up bad pixels. With that stated, I hope my M8 and EP2 last a very long time. My Kodak DCS200 and Nikon E3 are still going. They are "Teen-Agers".
Tom Niblick
Well-known
Almost every digital product I use seems to have a life span of 5 years. For example, I buy a top model Mac every 2 years. The one I replace becomes a print server or runs a scanback copy camera where it works another 3 years until retirement. My Epson 44 inch printers give me 5 years of daily service before they require a $2500 service call. The same seems to be true for my DSLRs. They put in 2 years of hard service then fall into the backup role. By the time they reach 5, they need more repairs than they are worth. This was true of my Fuji S2, Nikon D200 and one of my Nikon D2s. I expect the same from my M8.
Don't get me wrong. I love my M8. But it is a bit whimpy as far as the electronics go. If I get 5 trouble free years from it, I am more than satisfied. For the record, I'm at 3 years and counting.
Tom
LightBender
Member
I sold my M8.u a few months ago on eBay. $2,500 reserve usd and it went for $2,900. The buyer shot at highest ISO and under exposed by 3 stops and in post processing (brought exposure up 6 stops) found a pixel line defect and returned it and got a new sensor. When Leica replaced the sensor, they gave him a free one year warrantee, so he sent it back again (under warrantee) for a coffee stain LCD issue. He now has a virtually new M8.u (all upgrades) for under 3k. Now that is a deal, if you can live with yourself.
By the way, I never saw the pixel defect or the coffee stain LCD.
I think a perfect M8.u or M8.2 is a pretty good deal right now in the $2,500-3,000 range. This would be for a pretty perfect fully upgraded and used M8.u or a M8.2. The latter pushing 3k.
The X100 is still a PAS sort of thing that might be a better camera for some but, it won't allow you to mount the nice Leica and Zeiss glass. Entry to this game is going to be north of 2k.
The idea would be that for just a little more than 2k, someone could start collecting glass and have a great time with the RF camera. And then they could move up to a used M9 or new M10 someday. And, their M8 would probably still bring 1k-1.5k. Not bad for a year or 2 use.
Just my 2 cents.
By the way, I never saw the pixel defect or the coffee stain LCD.
I think a perfect M8.u or M8.2 is a pretty good deal right now in the $2,500-3,000 range. This would be for a pretty perfect fully upgraded and used M8.u or a M8.2. The latter pushing 3k.
The X100 is still a PAS sort of thing that might be a better camera for some but, it won't allow you to mount the nice Leica and Zeiss glass. Entry to this game is going to be north of 2k.
The idea would be that for just a little more than 2k, someone could start collecting glass and have a great time with the RF camera. And then they could move up to a used M9 or new M10 someday. And, their M8 would probably still bring 1k-1.5k. Not bad for a year or 2 use.
Just my 2 cents.
ianho
Newbie
The fuji x100 looks good, feels good and may even taste good. lol
But deep down inside, you know you want a Leica. Hehe
But deep down inside, you know you want a Leica. Hehe
popeye
Established
And Fujinon glass is to be sneezed at?
LightBender
Member
We will have to wait and see if it is any good. But, it will never come off that camera (X100) and no Leica glass will ever go on it. That's all.
nlubis
Well-known
I saw one at photo.net - Sept. 24th for 2000.
popeye
Established
I think there are legions of medium and large format users that can attest to the excellence of Fuji optics. And if I could afford a 28 Summicron, it would never come off my M8 either, but hey that's just me...
Satijntje
Member
Hi,,
a few weeks ago I bought a black M8 at the Meister shop in Berlin for 1400 Euro.
There were some scratches on the body and on the screen, but technically it was ok.
Prices in Germany are now between 1700 and 2000 Euro for a used one.
M8.2 do about 2500 Euro.
M9 used between 4600 and 4900 Euros.
John
a few weeks ago I bought a black M8 at the Meister shop in Berlin for 1400 Euro.
There were some scratches on the body and on the screen, but technically it was ok.
Prices in Germany are now between 1700 and 2000 Euro for a used one.
M8.2 do about 2500 Euro.
M9 used between 4600 and 4900 Euros.
John
genen
Member
$2,500 USD M8 - mint with warranty
$2,500 USD M8 - mint with warranty
No have not seen many $2,000 M8. Do see here in South Jersey a local camea shop Leica dealer has a demo M8 "mint" with warranty http://www.lecameraonline.com/product_p/leica m8 3108702.htm @ $2,499
Craigs list has several M8 in the same area for same price range $2,000 - $2,200 USD.
B&H Photo in NYC has a 90 day return policy has an M8 in used
$2,500 USD M8 - mint with warranty
No have not seen many $2,000 M8. Do see here in South Jersey a local camea shop Leica dealer has a demo M8 "mint" with warranty http://www.lecameraonline.com/product_p/leica m8 3108702.htm @ $2,499
Craigs list has several M8 in the same area for same price range $2,000 - $2,200 USD.
B&H Photo in NYC has a 90 day return policy has an M8 in used
Matus
Well-known
Just to confirm the correctness of this statement - I am one of them. My Fujinon A 240/9 and CM-W 125/5.6 are superb lenses.
OlliL
Well-known
Just wait. Last week a guy sold his M9 with 150 on the counter for 3.500€, on a German forum. Take a guess how long it took, till somebody bought it. ;-)