Which Nikkors to compliment a 50/1.4?

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I've only recently been shooting with my Dad's old black Nikon FE with a 50/1.4, and have really been enjoying it. I just picked up a black FM from eBay and would like to get another lens or two... Probably a 28mm or 24mm, and a portrait lens like the 85mm or 105mm. As I understand it I can go AI, AIs or non-AI. I'm not wanting to spend more than approximately $100 on each lens. Suggestions?
 
The 28mm f3.5 is a killer sharp lens. As for longer focals I have an 85 f2 which I very much enjoy as well.
I also got a few 24 F2.8, 105 f2.5, 135 f2.8, 200 f4.
All are very good and I love using them.
 
Nikkor 105mm 2.5 sounds like a great lens to add to your kit. If you can find it in your budget, sigma super wide II 24mm 2.8 is also an amazing lens for the price. It's AF lens but you can manual focus and adjust aperture manually. I use it on both D700 and F3 and it gives me very sharp images. (I got lucky and got it for a song)
 
Another ignorant question... Is it generally better to go for a faster lens only if you need to shoot in low light... are the slower Nikkors generally sharper?
 
Also, if I were to get a 105/2.5, is there any image quality difference between non-AI, AI and AIs? It seems to have been made in all versions.
 
Also, if I were to get a 105/2.5, is there any image quality difference between non-AI, AI and AIs? It seems to have been made in all versions.

Its a wee bit more complex. All early (non Ai) 105/2.5 SLR lenses were of a Sonnar design as I think from memory were the earliest AI lenses. At some point they redesigned the lens to a Gauss design. The Gauss design is regarded as being sharper - especially a little closer when used for portraits.

The early designs were originally regarded as a tele lens and hence regarded as a lens needed to make things far away appear closer rather than being a lens specifically for portraits - which is how many came to regard the lens. The later lenses also inevitably have better i.e. more modern coating. So if the epitome of image sharpness is your aim the later lens is better.

Having said this many, me included, prefer the earlier Sonnar lens. Sonnar lenses have the capacity to be sharp but have a nice gradation to out of focus which renders images beautifully. For this reason I have always kept my early AI converted 105mm. It is hard to imagine a Gauss lens being sharper even though that seems to be the verdict. The Sonnar is very sharp indeed.

Check out this thread here which discusses just that issue:http://www.flickr.com/groups/nikkor_105mm/discuss/72157630251652986/

And if you want to know more about their relative merits (and that of other Nikkor MF lenses) try this site: http://www.naturfotograf.com/index2.html

If you want to know which lens is which and you have the serial number give this site a try as I am pretty sure it gives links to a description of the lens design and other features http://www.photosynthesis.co.nz/nikon/lenses.html.
 
Nikon CRC = Close Range Correction.

As far as slower being sharper? IMO, I don't believe so. The 28mm 2.8Ais is far better all round than the f3.5 (though the f3.5 is still very good)

In general the faster the more flexible in your photographic opportunities. Example: 35mm f1.4 is better at f2 than the 35mm f2 is at f2 (I speak from experience) and the same goes for the 85mm f1.4 over the f1.8 or f2 - though the 85mm at 1.4 is sharp.

As for the 105mm f2.5 this has a well earned reputation but if you are going to buy and use one, you need to consider how and for what type of work. I have that lens (105 f2.5 Ais - new and boxed, when I bought it) but I much prefer the 85mm f2 for street work.

Lenses IMO that I would have to have a very good reason to sell:-

1. 50mm F2 Ai - outstanding performance for next to no outlay (in either B&W or Colour)

2. 28mm f2.8 Ais - for everything - can't explain and do it credit (just get hold of one and use - you'll see)

3. 85mm f2 Ais - in the shade with TMax 100 or 400
 
CRC is Close Range Correction, which means that the lens is optimised as the distance (to an object) changes. It basically means sharper photos and being able to focus closer. In the case of the 28/2.8, the AI-S version (with CRC) can focus down to 0.2 meters while the-non CRC 28/2.8 AI version "only" can get down to 0.3 meters. For me, with handholding a camera, CRC isn't much of a deal. The 28 is a great lens for exploring near-far relationships of objects.

I'd go with 28, 50, and 105. And eventually pick up a 200/4 if you need more tele.
 
Oh boy oh boy. Have I been down this road. I LOVE the FE by the way; much more than the FE2. Indeed I love my FE so much I've just decided to sell my big F3. I like the FE more.

First of all, I'd put all considerations of non-Ai lenses to the back of your mind because they require stop down metering -- which means no aperture priority auto mode for instance. Stop down metering means you use the little button on the front of the camera that actually closes the aperture down to what you have set it for (normally you set it but you're still looking through the viewfinder via a fully open lens, for full light for focussing; the meter compensates and the aperture closes when you release the shutter; AI stands for auto-indexing and that's what it dows. non Ai can't so you have to stop down; when you stop down you'll see the screen go dark). You expose at what the meter says is correct when stopped down; then you open up again and focus. If you REALLY love a particular lens it's worth it but for general walk around use go for Ai. There are non-Ai lenses that have been upgraded to Ai. This is usually explained by the person selling it. If you ever wonder which version you're looking at, use the serial number to check it here: http://www.photosynthesis.co.nz/nikon/lenses.html

That's the best most reliable source. You can tell an Ai, AiS or upgraded to Ai lens because it has the second row of aperture numbers below the main row. Other sites will explain all this to you in detail. In AIS versions of all lenses the highest aperture number (16, or 22, or 32) are in orange both above and below. In Ai they're different colors.

The 105/2.5 Ai version (not the later AiS which has gotten pricey) can be had for about 100 bucks if you're patient and watchful. Check KEH.com. These two versions are optically identical. Some non-Ai 105s are gauss, some are sonnar. Serials No. 400,xxx and up are gauss.

The 105 is a legend, and rightly so. However I do agree 85mm is better for street work and is also a great portrait lens. It's not transcendent as the 105 often is... but it works.

On the 85/2 --- I too have loyally and often used the Bjorn Rorslett site that you were recommended to above; it's very very good. But he does have some prejudices and this lens is one of them. He does not like it. However, I like it and many others like it. You won't find it for $100 though; more like 175-ish I'd say. Again, always check KEH before buying on eBay because it's a reputable place that takes returns; it uses a very conservative rating system that you can absolutely rely on; and there is no reason to pay more on the auction site than you'd pay KEH.

So. You have a 50/1.4. Here's what I'd say over time you'd like to add:

The Ai or AiS 20mm f/3.5 -- it's usually the cheapest of Nikon's 20mm lenses and is just delightful in my experience. I love mine. There are sharper 20's -- minolta's for instance -- and in general Nikon is better at longer lenses than anyone, but not at wides (excepting the 28mm's mentioned above) -- but this lens is sharp enough, certainly, and has very reasonable distortion and just a great look.

I'm a big fan of 24mm lenses -- of that angle of view -- but I'm not a big fan of Nikon 24mm lenses. I've never had one that I liked, and I've tried 4 of them.

The 28mm: Ah. This is important: DO NOT buy the Ai version of the 28mm f/2.8. It's by every report I've ever seen an inferior product. The 28/2.8 AIS is another one of Nikon's legends. It will run you $200 or so. The 28/3.5 much cheaper. I've not used one but many love it. I have the 28/2.0 which is technically, long distance, supposed to be sharper than the f2.8 but that f/2.8 does have a magical look. And when you use it down at .2 meter (like 7 inches? and that's from the film plane, not the front of the lens, so more lie 2-3 inches) you can get really spectacular shots. The close range correction above referred to is accomplished by a floating element in the lens: it moves as you focus closer. I believe this was one of the first lenses to have it.

I think everyone should have a 35mm. More important than a 28 I think, and even though it seems so close to 50 it's not the same. It's wide and 50's not. Nikon has a very good cheap 35mm: the Series E 35mm f/2.5. It's sharp with good color rendition. I'd get one right away. The 35mm f/2 is priceier and a very good lens. The classic is the 35mm f/1.4 but you won't see one for less than $500.

85/105 as discussed. For the $100 price tag you cannot beat the Ai 105/2.5 and you can make it work on the streets. The 85 is more natural for that kind of work but you'll pay more and ultimately the 105 is the lens you want to own.

I'd skip 135mm.

The Nikon 200mm f/4 Ai or Ais versions are really sharp and really cheap.

Your other option is the Ai 80-200mm f/4.5 or the Ais 80-200mm f/4. These are great MF zooms. Gives you a lot of flexibility. Don't NOT get the 105 though. It's a spiritual necessity. The MF 80-200 zooms will run you about $80-120. Again, check KEH.

As you get richer, or as in my case as you get more addicted to this stuff even though you have no money, here are a couple of other lenses to consider:

The Ais 180mm f/2.8 ED version. Really amazing. This one has spiritual qualities akin to the 105 and the 28/2.8.
The Ais 300mm f/4.5 ED version. The best long lens for the money.

Ideally if you had 20/3.5, a 28/2.8, a 35mm of your choice, your 50mm or the f/2, the 105/2.5, and the 180 ED -- six lenses, five new to you, about $800 if you're careful and patient, you'd walk among the Nikon gods....

Clearly I've enjoyed myself thinking about this. Too much....
 
Thanks everyone for your thoughtful responses. I think I'll look for a 28/2.8 and a 105/2.5... And hope the spiritual experiences follow...

The bodies seem to be more plentiful than the lenses. I'm tempted to get a body for each lens and leave them all set up ready to go.

I love the FE too. I particularly like using something that my dad bought in 1978. Not sure why I bought the FM. I'm hoping the limited shutter speed (1/1000) isn't an issue compared to the FE on auto (1/2000).
 
For quite a few years of shooting, I depended on two bodies and four lenses in AI version:
24/2.8 (wider than 28, and with the above mention CRC, sharp and contasty )
50/1.4 - Very similar optical characteristics to the Nikon RF Olympic verson. Just a great lens.
85/2 - perfect for portraits and capturing an overall scene, plus it is essentially the same size on an SLR as a 50/1.4, so it does't draw attention to itself as a telephoto/portrait lens
180/2.8 (when working. Otherwise either a 200/4 or, to save weight, a 135/3.5) All are equally sharp and the 135 and 200 are remarkable affordable.
 
For the most part (not always) the faster lenses are sharper and better built because they were aimed at professional-level shooting.

Also, if you're on a budget, I have found the Series E 28/2.8 to be nicer than its reputation and very light weight.

In SLR, I like the extra wideness of 24 vs 28. I consider 20mm to be too wide for daily use and requires you to carry a less intense wide, such as a 28 or 35mm.

The 28/3.5 is indeed tack sharp. The older pre-AI version I once tried was difficult to focus ... way too long a focus throw so I found myself looking at the distance scales a lot.
 
Beside F100 is my Nikon FM2 (100% manual) on which I use two lenses: 50mm 1,4 and the 20 mm AF-D (originally both for the F-100). I like shooting wide. I'm sometimes tempted by a Zeiss ZF2 like the Planar 1,4/85mm ZF.2 for portraits, but the price...🙁 I know it is not a Nikkor, sorry!).
robert
 
Agree and Disagree

Agree and Disagree

I think everyone should have a 35mm. More important than a 28 I think, and even though it seems so close to 50 it's not the same. It's wide and 50's not. Nikon has a very good cheap 35mm: the Series E 35mm f/2.5. It's sharp with good color rendition. I'd get one right away. The 35mm f/2 is priceier and a very good lens. The classic is the 35mm f/1.4 but you won't see one for less than $500.

I'd skip 135mm.

Excellent response Sparrow!

I agree about the 35mm being indispensable... I absolutely adore my 35 1.4. And I got it off of the 'bay for $300 about a year ago (barrel had some wear but optically perfect). If you need a wide angle at a fast aperture this is it. Perhaps 28 will be more important to you but I would think about this. I think you need to know how wide is too wide... and for my purposes the 35 is great.

Next - the 135 f3.5. I really like this lens. I am not partial to longer lenses in general but I do enjoy it. Why is it skip worthy? Perhaps other lenses do the job better?

35 1.4 shot
 
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