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Which one to take of the 50's?
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Thor
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Well, I am pretty set now... yesterday evening wasn't a perfect time for debating with my wife though. 😉
harmsr, thanks for the pictures. They look great, especially the typewriter.
harmsr, thanks for the pictures. They look great, especially the typewriter.
Toby
On the alert
Thor
On a more practical note how old are your children? I'm shooting children professionally and I've found that 1.4 is not very useful especially for shooting small children - I get too many dropped shots. If yor children are slighty older and if, unlike me your not obsessed with close ups, then 1.4 may produce some nice effects, otherwise like me you may find yourself unwilling to venture below F2 or even F2.8. Obviously working for others makes me more conservative because I need to cover myself but still I'd always err towards safety in this type of work as it can have a low hit rate anyway. Here are some recent F2 portraits - not RF -can't make money with film :bang:
On a more practical note how old are your children? I'm shooting children professionally and I've found that 1.4 is not very useful especially for shooting small children - I get too many dropped shots. If yor children are slighty older and if, unlike me your not obsessed with close ups, then 1.4 may produce some nice effects, otherwise like me you may find yourself unwilling to venture below F2 or even F2.8. Obviously working for others makes me more conservative because I need to cover myself but still I'd always err towards safety in this type of work as it can have a low hit rate anyway. Here are some recent F2 portraits - not RF -can't make money with film :bang:
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Ossifan
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Wayne's (Venchka's) solution is ever so elegant - then again, I love my DR so I am biased.
Cheers,
Alex
Cheers,
Alex
venchka
Veteran
50 DR Summicron is a keeper!
50 DR Summicron is a keeper!
Not to worry. ALL DR owners are biased! 🙂
There is one flaw in my suggestion. I said that Thorsten could recover the expense of the DR Summicron after purchasing the 50 Summilux. After using one for even a few rolls of film, would anyone ever part with a nice 50 DR Summicron? I think not. 😎
50 DR Summicron is a keeper!
Ossifan said:
Not to worry. ALL DR owners are biased! 🙂
There is one flaw in my suggestion. I said that Thorsten could recover the expense of the DR Summicron after purchasing the 50 Summilux. After using one for even a few rolls of film, would anyone ever part with a nice 50 DR Summicron? I think not. 😎
35mmdelux
Veni, vidi, vici
I own the latest model 50mm Summicron and the latest 50mm Summilux pre-asph.
Don't limit yourself to the Aspherical 50. I've been shooting Leica 15 yrs and have owned loads of other lenses but never a late model 50 pre-asph. I've got to tell you that the 50 pre-asph knocked my socks off when I saw its results on landscapes I took in the Central American rainforest the other day and various portrait shoots. Exacting sharp and a color rendition I hadn't even seen on my 35mm Summilux Aspherical.
So impressed was I w/ this lens that it has taken center stage on my M7 and the 35mm Summilux Asph is now the ride along lens.
Good luck choosing.
Don't limit yourself to the Aspherical 50. I've been shooting Leica 15 yrs and have owned loads of other lenses but never a late model 50 pre-asph. I've got to tell you that the 50 pre-asph knocked my socks off when I saw its results on landscapes I took in the Central American rainforest the other day and various portrait shoots. Exacting sharp and a color rendition I hadn't even seen on my 35mm Summilux Aspherical.
So impressed was I w/ this lens that it has taken center stage on my M7 and the 35mm Summilux Asph is now the ride along lens.
Good luck choosing.
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harmsr
M5 Nut
Wayne,
I think you know my answer to that.😉
The 50 Lux ASPH is my favorite, but I never did sell the 50 DR Cron. There are certain situations where it works well and I just like it.
Ray
I think you know my answer to that.😉
The 50 Lux ASPH is my favorite, but I never did sell the 50 DR Cron. There are certain situations where it works well and I just like it.
Ray
Slipkid
Sharpshooter
Try some older, classic glass...
Try some older, classic glass...
Thor,
Welcome to RFF...I'm also relatively new here and have also crossed over to the RF side. The conversion has pleased me immensely, but my poor bank account!!!
My first rangefinder was a user M3 SS...I had to wait for about two weeks before I even found a lens for it. The first lens I picked up was a Summitar 50mm collapsible. B&W shots have that creamy-dreamy look to them. Understandable, with a lens that's over 50 years old...and very desireable to me. A few lenses later, I bought a chrome pre-asph Summicron 50/2. To me, at least, the images were very sharp, almost 'clinical.' I tend to shoot more color film with that lens...Saturation is excellent, as is the overall quality. A collapsible Summicron 50/2, rigid Summicron 50/2 and Summarit 50/1.5 (for low light) round out my 50mm Leitz glass ensemble. I have to finish up the roll with the Summarit before I can comment on the picture quality...I have high hopes, though!
As for alternate glass, I really like the VC Nokton 40/1.4 that I have...Sharpness, bokeh, contrast are all exceptional...And it's also great wide open at low light...And very affordable.
Of course, this shopping spree was not cheap...It was made infinitely more affordable by the used market, both here (M6 and Collapsible Summicron) at RFF and the big auction site...As many have stated above and in other threads, your selections will depend on your personal preferences, your perceived needs and your pocketbook...Echoing some others, I would suggest some of the older, classic glass...Why have one when you can have five or six?😀
Wilkommen!
AJ
Try some older, classic glass...
Thor,
Welcome to RFF...I'm also relatively new here and have also crossed over to the RF side. The conversion has pleased me immensely, but my poor bank account!!!
My first rangefinder was a user M3 SS...I had to wait for about two weeks before I even found a lens for it. The first lens I picked up was a Summitar 50mm collapsible. B&W shots have that creamy-dreamy look to them. Understandable, with a lens that's over 50 years old...and very desireable to me. A few lenses later, I bought a chrome pre-asph Summicron 50/2. To me, at least, the images were very sharp, almost 'clinical.' I tend to shoot more color film with that lens...Saturation is excellent, as is the overall quality. A collapsible Summicron 50/2, rigid Summicron 50/2 and Summarit 50/1.5 (for low light) round out my 50mm Leitz glass ensemble. I have to finish up the roll with the Summarit before I can comment on the picture quality...I have high hopes, though!
As for alternate glass, I really like the VC Nokton 40/1.4 that I have...Sharpness, bokeh, contrast are all exceptional...And it's also great wide open at low light...And very affordable.
Of course, this shopping spree was not cheap...It was made infinitely more affordable by the used market, both here (M6 and Collapsible Summicron) at RFF and the big auction site...As many have stated above and in other threads, your selections will depend on your personal preferences, your perceived needs and your pocketbook...Echoing some others, I would suggest some of the older, classic glass...Why have one when you can have five or six?😀
Wilkommen!
AJ
Nachkebia
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Great read....
Turtle
Veteran
Magus,
Sadly I am a long way from having another darkroom set up (Kabul is my home for now...) and my scanner is kapput. I cannot therefore post images but will certainly be looking at negs on the lightbox I have here to see how the planar and summilix asph coming thru compare. Could be at least 6 months before I get to print anything. I have not printed now for over a year, which is resulting a large number of backlog negs. I hope out of my file I have about 15 images that I will frame not counting the portfolio/record images....my wife wont see me for months when I get my next darkroom set up....
Sadly I am a long way from having another darkroom set up (Kabul is my home for now...) and my scanner is kapput. I cannot therefore post images but will certainly be looking at negs on the lightbox I have here to see how the planar and summilix asph coming thru compare. Could be at least 6 months before I get to print anything. I have not printed now for over a year, which is resulting a large number of backlog negs. I hope out of my file I have about 15 images that I will frame not counting the portfolio/record images....my wife wont see me for months when I get my next darkroom set up....
Nachkebia
Well-known
Magus, you mind to write up a topic (article) how to start up darkroom in home conditions? (bathroom) with buyin enlargers finished with trying photos? 😀
Bob Helmond
Member
Save your money now
Save your money now
If you are shooting available light, you have probably begun forced development to boost the E.I. That being said, the Summicron will handle almost every enivironment in which you are likely to photograph.
So save your money now, get the 'Cron and THEN for your NEXT lens get a 35mm Summilux. The ƒ1.4 aperture on the 'lux will giive you ALL you could possibly need for "speed." Additionally, with the 35mm focal length, you can, with practice, hand-hold down to 1/30 and occassionally (with a stationary assist) 1/15 second.
This lens-shutter speed combo permitted me to photograph at night on the streets of New York City with Tri-X, and I didn't even have to push the E.I. -- I even occassionally pulled it to 200 to gain tonal range.
But if you have the cash now, my advice would be bite the bullet and go for the 35mm Summilux. My older 1977 vintage non-ASPH at ƒ1.4 creates images exhibiting an ethereal quality; at ƒ2 this is gone and at ƒ4 and ƒ5.6 the lens approaches the quality of the 35mm Summicron. But if you're reallly into low-light shooting the 'lux is what you need.
BTW an interesting fact about the 35mm focal length is that the width of the field of view (long dimension of film) is roughly equal to the distance you are from the subject, so that shooting surrepticiously "from the hip" can be done with ease without having to resort to super-wide-angle lenses (21mm and shorter.)
Save your money now
If you are shooting available light, you have probably begun forced development to boost the E.I. That being said, the Summicron will handle almost every enivironment in which you are likely to photograph.
So save your money now, get the 'Cron and THEN for your NEXT lens get a 35mm Summilux. The ƒ1.4 aperture on the 'lux will giive you ALL you could possibly need for "speed." Additionally, with the 35mm focal length, you can, with practice, hand-hold down to 1/30 and occassionally (with a stationary assist) 1/15 second.
This lens-shutter speed combo permitted me to photograph at night on the streets of New York City with Tri-X, and I didn't even have to push the E.I. -- I even occassionally pulled it to 200 to gain tonal range.
But if you have the cash now, my advice would be bite the bullet and go for the 35mm Summilux. My older 1977 vintage non-ASPH at ƒ1.4 creates images exhibiting an ethereal quality; at ƒ2 this is gone and at ƒ4 and ƒ5.6 the lens approaches the quality of the 35mm Summicron. But if you're reallly into low-light shooting the 'lux is what you need.
BTW an interesting fact about the 35mm focal length is that the width of the field of view (long dimension of film) is roughly equal to the distance you are from the subject, so that shooting surrepticiously "from the hip" can be done with ease without having to resort to super-wide-angle lenses (21mm and shorter.)
