Bruno Gracia
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cron 35 and lux 50.
Which Pair: 35/90 or 35/75
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ktmrider
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Maybe it is age (61) but these days weight is the enemy. I would love to take an extra M body and perhaps even a fourth lens. Have been eying a 35f2.5 as my 35 is the f1.2. However, I hate owning two lenses of the same focal length.
My guess is the M9 with 21/35/90. Both the 21f4 Skopar and 90f2.8 Tele Elmarit M are very small so I don't feel too bad packing the 35f1.2. Back in the days of my youth, I carried a couple Nikon F's with 24 and 85 attached. Not many hills in Spain and those in Scotland are fairly low.
Of course, I could easily stand to lose the weight of the entire photo kit and my body would likely thank me. Am working on that too.
My guess is the M9 with 21/35/90. Both the 21f4 Skopar and 90f2.8 Tele Elmarit M are very small so I don't feel too bad packing the 35f1.2. Back in the days of my youth, I carried a couple Nikon F's with 24 and 85 attached. Not many hills in Spain and those in Scotland are fairly low.
Of course, I could easily stand to lose the weight of the entire photo kit and my body would likely thank me. Am working on that too.
Rodchenko
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35 & 90. Without question.
rscheffler
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90
If it's primarily landscape photography I've generally preferred 90. If you're planning to do a lot of portraits, then 75 might be nice, but you can also do those with the 90.
75 was one of the first lenses I got for the M9 but found I didn't use it much compared to the 50, then ended up getting a 90 and rarely use the 75 since then...
FWIW, my kit is typically 21/28/50/90 and mostly use the first three, though the 90 is useful when needed.
If it's primarily landscape photography I've generally preferred 90. If you're planning to do a lot of portraits, then 75 might be nice, but you can also do those with the 90.
75 was one of the first lenses I got for the M9 but found I didn't use it much compared to the 50, then ended up getting a 90 and rarely use the 75 since then...
FWIW, my kit is typically 21/28/50/90 and mostly use the first three, though the 90 is useful when needed.
Ken Ford
Refuses to suffer fools
35-75 is my standard RF kit.
mfogiel
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35
28 50
25 35 75
21 28 50 90
18 25 35 75 135
28 50
25 35 75
21 28 50 90
18 25 35 75 135
Roger Hicks
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For me: 35/75
For you: who knows?
At least I understood the question and didn't suggest 3 lenses or a zoom.
Cheers,
R.
For you: who knows?
At least I understood the question and didn't suggest 3 lenses or a zoom.
Cheers,
R.
shortstop
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One lens: 40
Two lenses: 35 and 50
I use 90 mm only for portraits, but can use also 50 mm in enviromental portraits. If you are in travel 90 mm is almost superfluous to me.
Using my 75 planar TLR Rolleiflex do not ever feel the need of another lens. Never. And 75 mm in 6x6 is a 40mm in 135.
Leica CL is the prototype of travel camera and the combo is 40 (90% of shots) + 90 (10%).
Two lenses: 35 and 50
I use 90 mm only for portraits, but can use also 50 mm in enviromental portraits. If you are in travel 90 mm is almost superfluous to me.
Using my 75 planar TLR Rolleiflex do not ever feel the need of another lens. Never. And 75 mm in 6x6 is a 40mm in 135.
Leica CL is the prototype of travel camera and the combo is 40 (90% of shots) + 90 (10%).
uhoh7
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Well, the CV 75/2.5 is tiny and light, and a match for the expensive glass.
F/2.5 is decent fast too.
To stay that compact at 90, only CV 90/3.5, macro E, or tele-E can do it.
90 is harder to shoot and focus than 75.
I think I would do 21 35 75. If there was a 50 in the equation I might take the 90 🙂
PS, for hiking I prefer 21 28 75/90, myself. For people and street maybe the 35 is better. 28 is just so much a nice landscape FL in mountains, with better DOF than the 35 also. 21-28 big diff too.
F/2.5 is decent fast too.
To stay that compact at 90, only CV 90/3.5, macro E, or tele-E can do it.
90 is harder to shoot and focus than 75.
I think I would do 21 35 75. If there was a 50 in the equation I might take the 90 🙂
PS, for hiking I prefer 21 28 75/90, myself. For people and street maybe the 35 is better. 28 is just so much a nice landscape FL in mountains, with better DOF than the 35 also. 21-28 big diff too.
ktmrider
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Looking for an Excuse for GAS
Looking for an Excuse for GAS
As I posted in the "bags" thread recently, I think most of this is just an excuse to acquire more equipment which I DO NOT need. But I have never owned a 75mm and the 35f1.2 is HEAVY thus justifying another small 35mm and another M mount lens. And of course I need a new camera bag to carry it all in.
Am pretty sure the gear for the trip will be either a BBB or Domke 803 bag carrying an M9 with 21/35/90. I may throw an M2 into the mix or hopefully con my daughter into carrying the X100 so I have a spare body.
Equipment really is not an issue but resisting GAS is. Since we will be carrying everything in a medium size backpack and hiking over 100 miles in both Scotland and Spain, I need to be ruthless in keeping the weight down. Objectively, it should be an X100 but having purchased the M9 only a few months ago, it will be going. And why own an interchangeable lens camera and only carry one lens. Have traveled a lot in the past with 35/90 combo which worked great. The 21 is small, light and icing on the cake.
And thanks for taking the time to respond. Rich
Looking for an Excuse for GAS
As I posted in the "bags" thread recently, I think most of this is just an excuse to acquire more equipment which I DO NOT need. But I have never owned a 75mm and the 35f1.2 is HEAVY thus justifying another small 35mm and another M mount lens. And of course I need a new camera bag to carry it all in.
Am pretty sure the gear for the trip will be either a BBB or Domke 803 bag carrying an M9 with 21/35/90. I may throw an M2 into the mix or hopefully con my daughter into carrying the X100 so I have a spare body.
Equipment really is not an issue but resisting GAS is. Since we will be carrying everything in a medium size backpack and hiking over 100 miles in both Scotland and Spain, I need to be ruthless in keeping the weight down. Objectively, it should be an X100 but having purchased the M9 only a few months ago, it will be going. And why own an interchangeable lens camera and only carry one lens. Have traveled a lot in the past with 35/90 combo which worked great. The 21 is small, light and icing on the cake.
And thanks for taking the time to respond. Rich
Archiver
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I love this. It's like the photographic equivalent of a magic square or lucky charm.
For a little while I was carrying 25, 50 and 75, because I like the jump of 25mm between each length. It worked out quite well, but there were times when 25 was a bit too wide and 50 not wide enough, and I hardly used the 75, so I went to 25, 35 and 50. Then to 21, 35 and 50, which is my go-to triple for travel.
21mm captures the landscapes, architecture and interiors/rooms. 50 is my environmental portrait lens and I really like the natural perspective. 35 is a good in-between, and a fast 35 is the only lens I need for a walk at night.
By the way, I hope a backup camera is involved!
raid
Dad Photographer
I would travel light and use one lens.
Archiver
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I own both the 35/1.2 and 35/1.4, and unless I want the rendering of the f1.2, I usually take the 35/1.4. It is just so much smaller and lighter, and the M9 doesn't feel like it's got a block of metal and glass bolted to the front. The tab makes is easier to focus, and I honestly don't see much difference in exposure, not in most circumstances. You may like to cast your eye to the CV 35/1.4 as well.
coelacanth
Ride, dive, shoot.
My version. 🙂
50
35 50
35 50 90
28 35 50 90
21 28 35 50 90
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35 50 90
28 35 50 90
21 28 35 50 90
Scrambler
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I think this says it all:
"In 45 years of photography, I have never owned a 75mm."
Either this is the kind of walk where you try out a lens you have never previously felt the need for, or it's about using what you know to get photos of the walk itself. From your other threads, I'd have thought it's more the second, so I'd recommend sticking with what you have.
"In 45 years of photography, I have never owned a 75mm."
Either this is the kind of walk where you try out a lens you have never previously felt the need for, or it's about using what you know to get photos of the walk itself. From your other threads, I'd have thought it's more the second, so I'd recommend sticking with what you have.
Juan Valdenebro
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Normally, after having a great, small, normal, fast, light lens, we can look at both extremes, to cover the less usual...
I agree with mfogiel... 35 for one lens only, but for two lenses 28 and 50. For 3 lenses? IMO 28 has a true wide character, and a real tele is needed, so the center one should be a normal... Then, 28, 50 and a real tele...
OK, you said 21 and 35 are coming, so do I pick 75 or 90? We give options, and opinions... All this is not just for the OP, but for other members and for the future...
As I see it, and some others too, there's a gap between 35 and 75/90, and it's a critical gap, because it includes normal lenses... If we try to make that gap smaller, preferring with the 35 the 75 over the 90, we get less tele power apart from losing the normal view yet... 2 problems instead of 1...
So, a light 90 is great for isolating urban scenes and landscapes, not to mention portraits: it can see a lot of use, while a 21 isn't really a good choice: don't get me wrong, I own 3 different focal length lenses wider than 21, but it isn't really a good choice for a very few lenses set... The 15 Heliar is great and small too, and means lots of fun for sure, but those reasons are not enough to include it in a truly basic set...
In the end, you´ll take your decision by yourself, basically... We all wish you a great trip, and enjoy your M9 and a few small lenses...
Cheers,
Juan
I agree with mfogiel... 35 for one lens only, but for two lenses 28 and 50. For 3 lenses? IMO 28 has a true wide character, and a real tele is needed, so the center one should be a normal... Then, 28, 50 and a real tele...
OK, you said 21 and 35 are coming, so do I pick 75 or 90? We give options, and opinions... All this is not just for the OP, but for other members and for the future...
As I see it, and some others too, there's a gap between 35 and 75/90, and it's a critical gap, because it includes normal lenses... If we try to make that gap smaller, preferring with the 35 the 75 over the 90, we get less tele power apart from losing the normal view yet... 2 problems instead of 1...
So, a light 90 is great for isolating urban scenes and landscapes, not to mention portraits: it can see a lot of use, while a 21 isn't really a good choice: don't get me wrong, I own 3 different focal length lenses wider than 21, but it isn't really a good choice for a very few lenses set... The 15 Heliar is great and small too, and means lots of fun for sure, but those reasons are not enough to include it in a truly basic set...
In the end, you´ll take your decision by yourself, basically... We all wish you a great trip, and enjoy your M9 and a few small lenses...
Cheers,
Juan
seakayaker1
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To answer your question: If only two then the 35mm & 75mm. As someone mentioned above the 75/2.5 CV is a stellar lens.
Since it appears you will be taking 3 lens, my choice would be a 24/50/75 if I was looking for light weight.
I would also be taking 2 camera bodies. My M9 and MP as a backup if something went wrong with the digital and also to shoot some film.
Whatever your decision, I do hope you have a great time and post some photos along the way.
Bruno Gracia
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I'm hesitating about change my 50 summarit 2.5 for the 75 summarit, to be in companion with my 35 summarit.
ktmrider
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Presently, plans are for M9 with 21/35/90 and either X100 or M2 body. I am really trying to resist GAS and concentrate of the trip.
In the past I have traveled with only the X100 which worked great. In previous years, I have lugged an M body and a few lenses just about anywhere you can name. Don't see much difference between film and digital except for convenience of digital which is offset by the need for batteries and chargers.
I do like a larger sensor. If not, I would shoot with my cell phone. And I do have a very nice M system (as well as Blad and R).
In the past I have traveled with only the X100 which worked great. In previous years, I have lugged an M body and a few lenses just about anywhere you can name. Don't see much difference between film and digital except for convenience of digital which is offset by the need for batteries and chargers.
I do like a larger sensor. If not, I would shoot with my cell phone. And I do have a very nice M system (as well as Blad and R).
rivercityrocker
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When I used to take trips with my DLSR I always packed the the kings 14-24/24-70/70-200. The first time I took a trip without the DSLR I packed an M8 w/ 21/35/50 and I was very happy with that (although the 35 did most of the work). Now that I have an M9-P my typical kit is 28/50/90. My 90 is an old Elmar f/4 from '42. It's super sharp has amazing out of focus rendering and is really light. I recently bought a 90 Tele-Elmar and returned it because the size wasn't worth one extra stop. I'm considering a 90 Cron for concerts only, but the old 90 Elmar will always stay in my kit. They're cheap and good.
In my opinion 75 is too close to 50 so you can do a minimal crop to get there and it's not long enough to really pull far-off things in.
Well all see in different ways though. My 35 lived on my M8, but almost never gets used on my M9-P because I prefer my 50's on it.
Long story short, my next trip will be 28 Ultron / 50 Cron / 90 Elmar (although when I'm packing I bet I stick the 35 Nokt in there because I'm still OCD on lens choice).
In my opinion 75 is too close to 50 so you can do a minimal crop to get there and it's not long enough to really pull far-off things in.
Well all see in different ways though. My 35 lived on my M8, but almost never gets used on my M9-P because I prefer my 50's on it.
Long story short, my next trip will be 28 Ultron / 50 Cron / 90 Elmar (although when I'm packing I bet I stick the 35 Nokt in there because I'm still OCD on lens choice).
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