Sparrow
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I got 21% ... but I ran out of time before I ran out of countries
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I got 21% ... but I ran out of time before I ran out of countries
kbg32
neo-romanticist
It shows....
Boris Stupak
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Some of the best photographers in the world know nothing about photography or cameras whatsoever.
They pick up a camera and start shooting photos immediately that are far superior to most other photographers.
They have the eye and the natural talent. They don't need to know anything else. I've seen this happen.
They pick up a camera and start shooting photos immediately that are far superior to most other photographers.
They have the eye and the natural talent. They don't need to know anything else. I've seen this happen.
kbg32
neo-romanticist
If you pursue an endeavor, it is just a matter of time. It's bound to come up sooner or later.
Maybe it is as Roger says. I will take a step further. One would would think that with technology, social media, news, etc., we are all really not much different from each other. As I get older, the world seems smaller. Different cultures are not as foreign to me as they were when I was a small boy. On a basic level we all want the same things.
Maybe this all pushes people to be more xenophobic.
MIkhail
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Boris, allow me to disagree with you. I strongly beleive in- what I posted above. Basic and more than basic knowlege of visual art principles is critical.
As far as they dont know or care about difference between summilux prespherical vs. postaspherical, that is true, but that goes without saying... That's a collecting, really has nothing to do with photography per se.
+1
Boris Stupak
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Possibly, Mikhail, but I have seen otherwise. It is proof enough for me.
stompyq
Well-known
p until I joined RFF (3 years ago?) I didn't know who Robert Frank, Garry Winogrand, or Lee Friedlander were. Still don't know who Tina Modotti and Manual Alvarez Bravo are. First time I heard those names. Always knew who Edward Weston was.
DominikDUK
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I've met quiet a few supposedly ignorant photographers in public they knew nothing about the medium after a few glasses of wine or beer outside the public view they stopped their act and showed an immense knowledge about the history of the medium and art history in general. Famous artists know about their medium and more importantly know how to get the desired effect. Take Sally Mann and her wetplate work she acts like she hasn't really mastered the medium while in reality she can pour a good plate like nobodies business it's all show I am an artist
kbg32
neo-romanticist
This is sad.
Rodchenko
Olympian
146, but I ran out of time. I'd be surprised if anyone except an expert typist could get all in the time.
Tbh, I'd only have got about a dozen more, even if I'd had another minute or so.
jsrockit
Moderator
You can find stupid people in every country... not only the US.
zauhar
Veteran
What runs through this thread is recognition of a lack of human contact and interest that is prevalent today.
Artists of decades past recognized they were part of a community, and a tradition - even when they violently disagreed with both. They wrote manifestos to stake out intellectual territory. They compared themselves to each other.
People today - not just the young - are being sucked into an unreal world where they are free-floating atoms, all created equal in their narcissistic splendor. Not that there wasn't lots of that in the past, but there were plenty of outside forces to knock you in line.
I blame the internet (obviously), suburbs, and a capitalist system which sees us as 'human resources'.
Speaking of education, my kid is taking photography class this semester in her film program at NYU. I was out shooting with her last weekend.
Her assignment - I am not making this up - 'capture some Decisive Moments'.
Maybe you just need to make it into a homework assignment (seriously).
Randy
Artists of decades past recognized they were part of a community, and a tradition - even when they violently disagreed with both. They wrote manifestos to stake out intellectual territory. They compared themselves to each other.
People today - not just the young - are being sucked into an unreal world where they are free-floating atoms, all created equal in their narcissistic splendor. Not that there wasn't lots of that in the past, but there were plenty of outside forces to knock you in line.
I blame the internet (obviously), suburbs, and a capitalist system which sees us as 'human resources'.
Speaking of education, my kid is taking photography class this semester in her film program at NYU. I was out shooting with her last weekend.
Her assignment - I am not making this up - 'capture some Decisive Moments'.
Maybe you just need to make it into a homework assignment (seriously).
Randy
jsrockit
Moderator
Nothing wrong with an assignment like that.
kbg32
neo-romanticist
I read an article recently on this - lack of human contact and discourse face to face. I'll see if I can find it and post it here.
MikeDimit
Established
How about this point of view - Not seeing others photographers work you could escape patterns. After some time you will want to compare and will discover classics of photography.
Roger Hicks
Veteran
Eminently true, but the US has a large population, so assuming that the proportion of stupid people in different countries is constant, then there are probably about 5x as many stupid people in the USA as in Britain or France. There will be even more stupid Chinese or Indians than stupid Americans, again in proportion to the population.
On the other hand we may see more stupid Americans, because in a rich country access to the Internet (one of the greatest opportunities for showing oneself up as stupid, or alternatively, ill-educated) is greater, so one would expect to find more stupid or ill-educated Americans on line than stupid Chinese, despite the population ratios.
And, of course, in English-language media, only the better-educated (= richer) Indians are likely to show up, so there's another built-in bias.
Cheers,
R.
Roger Hicks
Veteran
Dear Randy,
It's not just "human resources". Go down the pub and it's warm and one television suffices for all. Stay at home and you have to heat your own space, buy your own TV and beer glasses ... Atomization is profitable.
Your daughter might (or might not) find useful the bit about the decisive movement on my site: http://www.rogerandfrances.com/subscription/ps decisive 1.html
Cheers,
R.
Boris Stupak
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MIkhail
Well-known
Decisive moment is only one of many concepts in photography, in my opinion.
It is nice theory, and HCB definitely perfected it too. But it is still one of many, not the only thing.
Jeff Wall, amongst many others, comes to mind for a completely different example. Or Saul Leiter.
This whole “going out with Leica and summicron to shoot me some decisive moments” is ridiculous, really.
Still, it gets you out of the house… Good for retirement, I suppose.
Boris Stupak
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