Why are used M240 so cheap?

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Its not unusual now to find used M240 for less than $4000 - even $3500 with some negotiation.
that is a hell of a price savings considering the new dealer price.

Why are they selling so cheap?

Victims of the great Sony Alpha 7 onslaught?

Sell off in anticipation of a M240 replacement?

Are owners upset theirs is not the fantabulus Lenny Kravitz version?

or?
 
I think that many bought the M240 cuz it was cool to have a Leica, but weren't actually enjoying the RF experience. So when the SL came out, they could still be cool and have an interchangeable lens Leica, but now in an easier to use (AF, EVF) more familiar form.

So... I blame the SL!
 
I guess the novelty factor has vanished for some owners. There always has been a class of Leica owners that simply have it because the camera store told them it is the latest and greatest, and which will unload it because carrying a three year old camera is not a symbol of abundance...
 
I'm not sure about the reasons but digital rot for all digital Leica bodies seems to have accelerated. I bought my MM last year and paid $7k from Tamarkin. I've recently seen them sell used for under $4k. Whereas it seemed like the M8 and M9 held their values for a long time before they started declining. I'd say the proliferation of small full frame cameras has done a lot to drive prices down - the Leica M8 or M9 used to be the only game in town if you wanted small and FF. Now you have the A7, RX1R, along with M8/M9/MM/ME/M240/MM240/.
 
Some fail to try b/4 buy. Other have needs that change like auto focus.

Others trade them when warrantee is up.

Some are problem cameras you do not want to buy.

Maybe a few fell off the back of a truck. You don`t want those either.
 
yeah, it's digital. also, it's the plain jane version. the "better looking" versions such as the m9-p and m-p hold their value more, to the tune of about $1000.
 
I don't really see it as being unique to Leica. When first introduced, the Nikon D4 was $6000, and now I've seen them on eBay for $2600. Fuji X100S was $1300 new, now $680 used. Canon EOS 1D x was originally $6800 in 2012, now used on eBay for as low as $2600. So it's all relative, in my opinion.
 
Let them keep falling. That's one of the best things that can happen to the M system to allow the less well-heeled users back into the system.

I'd love to have an MM for less than $3000, it's the one digital M that I'd really like to get.
 
Don't discount where the exchange rate was when the M240 came out. Not favorable to the dollar - and the Euro then lost a lot against the dollar. As in it was 1.35 in September 2015 and 1.10 now. That's 19% from currency alone.

Take that into account - which would make the M240 (it was $6,500, right?) a $5,265 camera if you were selling it for the first time today, and the "rot" is quite small.

You can't compare this to M9 depreciation, since the M9 stopped importation long before the Euro tanked.

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I've been watching M 240 prices in the used market since the Autumn and I've also noticed a general slide in prices.

Currency fluctuations are part of it, as well as product cycles. I think there's general consensus that Leica will be introduce a "re-fresh" of the M 240 pretty soon, so the used market is in flux.

Digital obsolescence is a painful thing to watch. That's why it's generally safer to buy and hold on to lenses. Leica glass has an excellent reputation and lens prices are much more stable than the prices of digital M cameras.
 
"Great Sony" and cheap Leica? Sound like double oxymoron to me. 🙂

But I agree, price drop on used M240 is so deep, even I started to calculate what I have to sell to buy one... I have to sell all of my photo gear to buy used M240. 🙂
 
In addition to digital obsolescence, the proliferation of mirrorless cameras is likely another main factor.

Mirrorless bodies allow AF with native lenses and manual focus with just about any adapted non-native lens. Focus-peaking became an adequate alternative experience to aligning overlapping images.
 
When you think about it, US Leica prices have been artificially inflated for quite a while. Only with the recent 12% discounts have they regained some sense of sanity.

I was in Hong Kong a year or so after the M240 came out. Used ones were still going for $6,000 or so stateside, but the Leica store sticker price in HK was something like $5,500 in 2013 dollars...
 
Maybe just available numbers, unlike the M8 and M9 the M seems to have had a relatively clitch free launch, allowing it's production in volumes not achieved by the 8 & 9 as they were so busy fixing early snags.
Mind you, I have no knowledge of anything, I'm probably way off, couple of glasses of wine and I'm full of BS.
 
Good question. Used M240s are not selling as well as the used M8 and M9s were. There are probably several factors at play.

Chinese are not buying up as many any more? Stronger dollar? Now that it has Live View and Video it is now just another mirrorless camera? The M9 sensor corrosion changed people's perception of Leica? Perhaps people who bought in to the M240 are not as sold on the Leica mystique as past purchasers? It is now just another CMOS sensor? The SL and Q are forcing used M240 prices down?
 
Leica second hand values have settled back to realistic levels after the scarcity/demand induced by the M9. Back in ~2010 it was very difficult to find a camera and Leica lenses to go with it. Used prices were often higher than retail.

The M240 was an evolutionary release and not revolutionary like the M9. Therefore, it didn't necessarily generate the same degree of demand, nor inspire some M9 owners to upgrade. At least not immediately. Yet the technological improvements in the M240 likely broadened its appeal to those looking for a compact full frame camera but not necessarily interested in RF. Leica's production expansion allowed them to produce more products more quickly. It's possible they may have slightly flooded the market with M240 availability. For a time it was quite easy to find demo bodies at considerable savings. I haven't looked recently, so not sure if it's still the case. I'd guess Leica probably has sold as many, if not more M240s than M9s. That's a lot of FF digital RF cameras a step away from being on the market. The more there are in use, the more will eventually become available secondhand. And the M240 is coming to the end of its product cycle. In fact now overdue if indeed Leica had been on a ~3 year cycle like with the M8 and M9.

I prefer the way the market is going now. Those who want and can afford to buy new have that option at full retail. Those looking for new at better prices can import from the EU and still save a fair amount over US retail pricing, despite the current 12% 'exchange rate' adjustment/sale. Then there's the availability of demo product (bought a body and a lens this way) with warranty. And finally, somewhat depressed secondhand pricing relative to the bubble of the early-mid M9 lifecycle has dropped the cost of entry for those wanting to get into Leica without the budget to buy new...

And yes, the strong USD results in secondhand values that are relative to the global market and not necessarily relative to the somewhat inflated US retail pricing set by Leica.
 
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