I honestly like the G1. It makes sense to me.
But I am surprised to see so many people selling their G1's.
IF you sold or have your G1 up for sale, please tell the rest of us WHY ?
Thanks,
Stephen
But I am surprised to see so many people selling their G1's.
IF you sold or have your G1 up for sale, please tell the rest of us WHY ?
Thanks,
Stephen
djonesii
Well-known
Right now, the only reason I would quit using it is if I hit the lottery or some equal! I will not sell it, It's the camera on the table for snapshots. Can't deal wit the wife using a P&S when I have to PostProcess after her! She will pick up the G1, not the D300, and NEVER the M6.
As the English say, horses for courses.
Dave
As the English say, horses for courses.
Dave
Tuolumne
Veteran
I am selling my Nikon D200 and all of the overly large lenses it takes and using my G1 in its stead. Who needs a cannon when a derringer will do?
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johannielscom
Snorting silver salts
I will trade in my D300 set with all lenses on Thursday and pick up a new M8 from the dealer in the process. I considered the G1 since it would have saved quite some bucks, but I cannot get over the SLR design and the cluttered viewfinder which displays all kinds of useless 'info'.
I'd rather spend some more time post-processing than be annoyed with camera ergonomics while shooting.
I'd rather spend some more time post-processing than be annoyed with camera ergonomics while shooting.
fbf
Well-known
I personally don't think the G1 makes sense to leica M lenses at all (r-d1 might be the better choice) However, G1 is probably the best and only digital choice for many other mounts. Robert showed the C mount lenses on G1 and I was very very impressed by the results
Benjamin Marks
Veteran
Not a lot of response to Stephen's original post yet. I too am interested. My corollary is that I have not YET bought a G1. Reasons for this are:
1) don't need it yet.
2) waiting for a model with anti-shake (true avail. darkness cam w/fast Leica glass).
3) pricing model for digi-cams: initial interest/full price = 1 year or less, followed by discounted pricing, followed by rebate, followed by new model with the kinks worked out (hopefully), followed by lightly used models showing up on the used market (D200 anyone?). Anyone want to bet that a used model of this camera will be on offer at KEH for $300 or less within 3 years?
4) waiting for just the camera to be offered (no kit) at a savings (don't need/want a zoom)
5) waiting to see what other manufacturers will do with micro-4/3 mount -- this could well be the future of e-RF style photography. . .
But, delighted to see all the action around this model. Proves the theory that while a lot of the camera industry seems to be in "incremental refinement"/fashion update mode, there is still hard core R&D out there that can produce wonderful, useful surprises.
Ben Marks
1) don't need it yet.
2) waiting for a model with anti-shake (true avail. darkness cam w/fast Leica glass).
3) pricing model for digi-cams: initial interest/full price = 1 year or less, followed by discounted pricing, followed by rebate, followed by new model with the kinks worked out (hopefully), followed by lightly used models showing up on the used market (D200 anyone?). Anyone want to bet that a used model of this camera will be on offer at KEH for $300 or less within 3 years?
4) waiting for just the camera to be offered (no kit) at a savings (don't need/want a zoom)
5) waiting to see what other manufacturers will do with micro-4/3 mount -- this could well be the future of e-RF style photography. . .
But, delighted to see all the action around this model. Proves the theory that while a lot of the camera industry seems to be in "incremental refinement"/fashion update mode, there is still hard core R&D out there that can produce wonderful, useful surprises.
Ben Marks
tbarker13
shooter of stuff
I'm one of those who bought and later sold.
Basically, I bought it to see if I wanted to replace my Nikon D200 with it. I knew I would never keep 3 digital cameras (also have the M8).
In the end, I just couldn't pull the trigger on the exchange. Part of it - and this i just totally a personal preference - is that the G1 doesn't feel as sturdy in my hands as the D200.
With an M8, i can already travel light when I want to, so that wasn't much of a consideration.
In the end, I realized the G1 was just never really going to have a place in my photo kits. I do think it's a neat little camera though. I really have nothing bad to say about it.
Basically, I bought it to see if I wanted to replace my Nikon D200 with it. I knew I would never keep 3 digital cameras (also have the M8).
In the end, I just couldn't pull the trigger on the exchange. Part of it - and this i just totally a personal preference - is that the G1 doesn't feel as sturdy in my hands as the D200.
With an M8, i can already travel light when I want to, so that wasn't much of a consideration.
In the end, I realized the G1 was just never really going to have a place in my photo kits. I do think it's a neat little camera though. I really have nothing bad to say about it.
Frank Petronio
Well-known
I haven't used the G1 yet, but I had such a bad experience with the Olympus 420/25mm pancake camera that I probably will stick with Nikons. The 4/3s chip of the Oly was significantly short of highlight range, the AF was primitive, and the camera controls were too small for my large hands (that's my fault for buying it though). I got better quality photos from a 5-yr old Nikon D70 than the 4/3s Oly, and based on the sample pictures and reviews, I'd fear the G1 isn't that big a leap forward.
JohnM
Well-known
I had it and sold it.
There was nothing that I did not like about it -- it just sort of fell between the cracks. The lenses just were not there to make it a viable replacement for my Canon DSLR. And if I really wanted to travel light, the LX3 is so good that it made the G1 expendable. (I actually tried to sell the LX3 here first before giving it another shot -- decided I would be crazy to sell it.)
I could have kept it, but I really don't like to have extra, unused cameras lying around. I'll be paying attention to the micro 4/3rds systems and if the lenses available to it expand some, I would be happy to get back into it.
There was nothing that I did not like about it -- it just sort of fell between the cracks. The lenses just were not there to make it a viable replacement for my Canon DSLR. And if I really wanted to travel light, the LX3 is so good that it made the G1 expendable. (I actually tried to sell the LX3 here first before giving it another shot -- decided I would be crazy to sell it.)
I could have kept it, but I really don't like to have extra, unused cameras lying around. I'll be paying attention to the micro 4/3rds systems and if the lenses available to it expand some, I would be happy to get back into it.
Avotius
Some guy
I am disappointed that the M mount lenses are not really showing any interesting differences over the kit lens but I will keep mine because I think there is potential to this system, especially when that 40mm 1.7 and the 28-300 come out. That would be a great combo kit right there for the light weight traveler.
photogdave
Shops local
I think you hit the nail on the head there. I didn't buy the camera but I had the opportunity to try one out with some M lenses and felt the same. Why bother with mounting and manually focusing and M lens when the kit lens is just as sharp and has AF? Then when they start bring out fast primes there is even less reason to use M lenses.
I think it's a cool camera and I'm still thinking M4/3 for a future digital since I no longer have a digital camera.
Oh yeah, I keep forgetting that I have a D70! :angel:
I'm not selling mine unless Oly comes out with the same set of features as the G1 plus in body VR.
IMHO, adapted lenses (M and otherwise) can show tremendous difference over the kit lens; much faster, and different renditions, depending on the lens. Using the kit lens at 45mm results in a 45/5.6; not of much use for me, when there are oodles of fast adapted lenses in the 40-50mm range with all sorts of different kinds of rendering and bokeh.
The kit lens is pretty much used at the 14/3.5 setting, making it a 28/3.5 equivalent for wide angle.
IMHO, adapted lenses (M and otherwise) can show tremendous difference over the kit lens; much faster, and different renditions, depending on the lens. Using the kit lens at 45mm results in a 45/5.6; not of much use for me, when there are oodles of fast adapted lenses in the 40-50mm range with all sorts of different kinds of rendering and bokeh.
The kit lens is pretty much used at the 14/3.5 setting, making it a 28/3.5 equivalent for wide angle.
back alley
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i have 2 g1 kits and want to sell one, not because of the camera but because i bought an rd1.
i think the g1 will make a great kit along with the rd1.
i did sell the sony a300, it was bigger and not better than the g1, for me anyways.
i think the g1 will make a great kit along with the rd1.
i did sell the sony a300, it was bigger and not better than the g1, for me anyways.
nemjo
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Gabriel M.A.
My Red Dot Glows For You
I'm assuming we're talking about the nonrangefinder Lumix G1, and not the rangefinder Contax G1.
JCdeR
Established
I had mine for 5 weeks or so, I really liked it but:
- Leica lenses didn't offer anything special
- It was to big for day to day light travelling, and not any better in size and IQ then my D60
- My D60 with 50mm 1.4 produce better results
- My Sigma DP-1 produces better results and is much smaller
- My M8 produces better results with my M lenses and is just about a s big (and I have it)
- I felt it was a sort of "not a napkin and not a tablecloth" sort of thing
- The overall quality was not all that good (paint and lettering)
- Lack of wide angle and fast lenses (or adapter needed)
- Adapters pretty much "not all that good"
- I still think 4/3 IQ is inferior to DX format
- Not able to shoot moving subjects
Otherwise I did like it but became more and more a gimmick.
I was able to sell it when the second hand prices were still good
- Leica lenses didn't offer anything special
- It was to big for day to day light travelling, and not any better in size and IQ then my D60
- My D60 with 50mm 1.4 produce better results
- My Sigma DP-1 produces better results and is much smaller
- My M8 produces better results with my M lenses and is just about a s big (and I have it)
- I felt it was a sort of "not a napkin and not a tablecloth" sort of thing
- The overall quality was not all that good (paint and lettering)
- Lack of wide angle and fast lenses (or adapter needed)
- Adapters pretty much "not all that good"
- I still think 4/3 IQ is inferior to DX format
- Not able to shoot moving subjects
Otherwise I did like it but became more and more a gimmick.
I was able to sell it when the second hand prices were still good
wolverine
Member
I have it . I use your adapter. I am very impressed with the 90mm asph, apo m, on this camera. I don't know why folks are selling. Live view manual focusing is incredibly easy. The 90mm lens is wonderful and acts as a 180mm f/2! I am waiting for the 50 asph lux to arrive. I am sticking with it. I think Sean Reid's misunderstood reveiw with leica m lens turned some people off. I don't think his intent and communication was clear. Too bad. I thinkk as this format develps, folks will come back.
dcsang
Canadian & Not A Dentist
As someone who's actually considering this camera - to know that he has reviewed it, and, I'm assuming has perhaps passed on it or gave a less favourable (or, in your words "misunderstood") review using a Leica M lens than some other folks; I think I'll actually buy the camera after all.
To me, some people take other folks word as gospel instead of actually evaluating a product or item for themselves and figuring out if it's right for them.
If I had done that with respect to Mr Reid's reviews, I never would have discovered the joyous 35mm Nokton f1.4 on the M8/M7s.
Cheers,
Dave
The entire basis of this thread is inaccurate, IMHO. I see far more buyers than sellers. There are always those that 'buy/try' and sell. And for every selling transaction, there is another buyer...
Panasonic hasn't shown a P&S-style Micro '4'/3 concept, that would be Olympus.
The pancake 20/1.7 is real for later this summer; who knows what Olympus will really do...
The P&S style camera concept doesn't make a lot of sense to me. It would not have an articulating LCD, or EVF. It would only be practical for a limited range of focal lengths, it would be difficult to use with longer lenses.
Panasonic hasn't shown a P&S-style Micro '4'/3 concept, that would be Olympus.
The pancake 20/1.7 is real for later this summer; who knows what Olympus will really do...The P&S style camera concept doesn't make a lot of sense to me. It would not have an articulating LCD, or EVF. It would only be practical for a limited range of focal lengths, it would be difficult to use with longer lenses.
wjlapier
Well-known
I'm kinda going in the opposite direction. I'm thinking of picking up another one--maybe the new one with video. I think we are just scratching the surface as to what potential there is with this camera--in terms of adapted lenses.
Alot of folks keep mentioning Leica M lenses, but with the adapters out there just about any lens can be used on the G1. My primary interest now is finding fast cine lenses that are sharp wide open, pleasant bokeh, not too expensive, and fills the sensor.
The camera is too much fun to use for me. I won't be selling mine, in fact I sold my Canon XSi and adapters and will now concentrate solely on the G1 as my adapted to camera.
Alot of folks keep mentioning Leica M lenses, but with the adapters out there just about any lens can be used on the G1. My primary interest now is finding fast cine lenses that are sharp wide open, pleasant bokeh, not too expensive, and fills the sensor.
The camera is too much fun to use for me. I won't be selling mine, in fact I sold my Canon XSi and adapters and will now concentrate solely on the G1 as my adapted to camera.