Yes, from that standpoint, the P&S concept works. 
BillBingham2
Registered User
Count me in on the P&S with interchangeable primes. Say 8, 17, 25, 42, and 150, all reasonably fast aperture and the ability to set and lock focus (like snap mode on the GRD) at different distances and then use aperture priority to have a way cool P&S. I also want to use CV Bright Lines on top too please.
I never saw the G1 giving that to me, though I hold out hope that the Olympus will (Pen F ish please rather than P&S on steroids (ala Canon)).
B2 (;->
I never saw the G1 giving that to me, though I hold out hope that the Olympus will (Pen F ish please rather than P&S on steroids (ala Canon)).
B2 (;->
B2, with that set of primes, you've got a 300mm equivalent...that would be kinda tough to use except on a tripod. 
BillBingham2
Registered User
Or a chest/table-top tripod, or my next invention.....
More in a week or so.
B2 (;->
More in a week or so.
B2 (;->
Cindy Flood
Established
I'm not selling mine, but I did sell my big DSLR and lenses.
I didn't read Sean Reid's review, but I must say that I heard about the corner problems that he "exposed". My most-used lens on my G1 is the CV 28 f/1.9 and I have not seen the soft, blurry corner problems that Sean was supposed to have seen with a 28 f/2. My personal opinion is that people should try these things out for themselves. He may have had a bad copy of a lens or a bad copy of an adapter. I wouldn't base my buying decision on one review.
I'm using my G1 with M lenses, Nikon lenses, Olympus lenses and the two kit lenses. Others are having great success with cine lenses, Olympus Pen lenses and more.
I didn't read Sean Reid's review, but I must say that I heard about the corner problems that he "exposed". My most-used lens on my G1 is the CV 28 f/1.9 and I have not seen the soft, blurry corner problems that Sean was supposed to have seen with a 28 f/2. My personal opinion is that people should try these things out for themselves. He may have had a bad copy of a lens or a bad copy of an adapter. I wouldn't base my buying decision on one review.
I'm using my G1 with M lenses, Nikon lenses, Olympus lenses and the two kit lenses. Others are having great success with cine lenses, Olympus Pen lenses and more.
dcsang
Canadian & Not A Dentist
Thanks Cindy.
Here's the thing I really want to know..... how many of us find the corner of our photos EXTREMELY important to the meaning/subject of the photo itself? I mean, honestly, look at the photos that mean the most to you, the ones that really tug at your heart strings - is it the corners????
I think we've lost our way here...
Cheers,
Dave
Here's the thing I really want to know..... how many of us find the corner of our photos EXTREMELY important to the meaning/subject of the photo itself? I mean, honestly, look at the photos that mean the most to you, the ones that really tug at your heart strings - is it the corners????
I think we've lost our way here...
Cheers,
Dave
Cindy Flood
Established
Dave,
I couldn't agree with you more about the corners.
I was really troubled about this review, though. I went back through some of my photos with my CV 28 f/1.9 after reading all the flurry about it. I couldn't find any of the smearing that was supposed to be going on.
I couldn't agree with you more about the corners.
I was really troubled about this review, though. I went back through some of my photos with my CV 28 f/1.9 after reading all the flurry about it. I couldn't find any of the smearing that was supposed to be going on.
back alley
IMAGES
i have not noticed the 'smearing' with my 21 or 35 or 50.
the images from the kit lenses are outstanding.
i don't think you'd regret getting one dave.
the images from the kit lenses are outstanding.
i don't think you'd regret getting one dave.
dcsang
Canadian & Not A Dentist
i have not noticed the 'smearing' with my 21 or 35 or 50.
the images from the kit lenses are outstanding.
i don't think you'd regret getting one dave.
I don't think I would either Joe.
I'm really just getting really pissed off at people reviewing lenses and such and then, folks deciding that a camera/lens isn't "good enough" for them.
I would love for people to look through their images - and like I said, look at the ones that REALLY matter to you - these are the ones that make you smile, cry, and laugh, and see if any of those images are the ones where you're saying "oh, gee, the corners look a bit soft in this one....."
It's absolutely insane that we put that much importance on such things when we look at images that matter....
Dave
ampguy
Veteran
I have similar reasons for not buying (yet)
I have similar reasons for not buying (yet)
Basically agree with #'s 1, 3, and 5 below, and with fbf's mentioning that M mount lenses will be tricky to match up with the 2x crop factor. Need really wide, but also want very low distortion. The 2x factor makes that a challenge.
I have similar reasons for not buying (yet)
Basically agree with #'s 1, 3, and 5 below, and with fbf's mentioning that M mount lenses will be tricky to match up with the 2x crop factor. Need really wide, but also want very low distortion. The 2x factor makes that a challenge.
Not a lot of response to Stephen's original post yet. I too am interested. My corollary is that I have not YET bought a G1. Reasons for this are:
1) don't need it yet.
2) waiting for a model with anti-shake (true avail. darkness cam w/fast Leica glass).
3) pricing model for digi-cams: initial interest/full price = 1 year or less, followed by discounted pricing, followed by rebate, followed by new model with the kinks worked out (hopefully), followed by lightly used models showing up on the used market (D200 anyone?). Anyone want to bet that a used model of this camera will be on offer at KEH for $300 or less within 3 years?
4) waiting for just the camera to be offered (no kit) at a savings (don't need/want a zoom)
5) waiting to see what other manufacturers will do with micro-4/3 mount -- this could well be the future of e-RF style photography. . .
But, delighted to see all the action around this model. Proves the theory that while a lot of the camera industry seems to be in "incremental refinement"/fashion update mode, there is still hard core R&D out there that can produce wonderful, useful surprises.
Ben Marks
We need a thread entitled "Why did you sell your D700?"
My answer: because of the G1.
My answer: because of the G1.
Zenjitsuman
Established
As you know there is another shoe that dropped at the PMA and that is the short register Samsung NX. It too will use HD lcd vf and likely the 14mp sensor that got such good scores on the DXOmark (top 10 I believe)
and its crop factor is 1.5 being an APS DX camera.
I looked at the 5 Leica M lenses I have and they would convert to 31mm; 37mm; 52mm; 75mm and 135mm. That is more like what I need and I could buy an ultra wide zoom like a 10-18mm or such to cover the real wide end.
Yes the camera is a little bigger but so are my hands and when you are forced to press buttons because they keep comming out with old 6mp digital rf designs for $3,000 because they treat us as rich fools then I will go for a bit bigger ( bigger buttons) as long as the IQ is up to top 10 levels.
and its crop factor is 1.5 being an APS DX camera.
I looked at the 5 Leica M lenses I have and they would convert to 31mm; 37mm; 52mm; 75mm and 135mm. That is more like what I need and I could buy an ultra wide zoom like a 10-18mm or such to cover the real wide end.
Yes the camera is a little bigger but so are my hands and when you are forced to press buttons because they keep comming out with old 6mp digital rf designs for $3,000 because they treat us as rich fools then I will go for a bit bigger ( bigger buttons) as long as the IQ is up to top 10 levels.
Yes, the Samsung is next, and most likely there will be others from Nikon and Canon, eventually. The days of the reflex mirror are numbered.
Gordon Coale
Well-known
The pentaprism SLR is so 1957. 
wolverine
Member
Simple solution soft corners
Simple solution soft corners
If this is an issue for you, oly and panny have very excellent lenses for wide angle. And when the 7-14 comes out it will be interesting to see the quality. So wide angle is covered. But as Cindy says her 28 is fine. I can't tell you how excited I am with the APO 90mm f/2 Asph is on this camera. Can't wait to try the 50 lux asph. I love high contrast and lots of color. B&W does very little for me. I get it and why people love it. Just not many B&W photos look good to me. But as the wise sage said... "Kodachroooome... give me the nice bright colors.... don't take my kodachrome away from me" The G1 delivers. This is coming from someone who has used the 5D, D300, and D700.
Simple solution soft corners
If this is an issue for you, oly and panny have very excellent lenses for wide angle. And when the 7-14 comes out it will be interesting to see the quality. So wide angle is covered. But as Cindy says her 28 is fine. I can't tell you how excited I am with the APO 90mm f/2 Asph is on this camera. Can't wait to try the 50 lux asph. I love high contrast and lots of color. B&W does very little for me. I get it and why people love it. Just not many B&W photos look good to me. But as the wise sage said... "Kodachroooome... give me the nice bright colors.... don't take my kodachrome away from me" The G1 delivers. This is coming from someone who has used the 5D, D300, and D700.
jl-lb.ms
John A. Lever
I really considered the G1 and had it in my cart on Amazon. In the end, however, I wanted a smaller camera to go with the D200 and R-D1 and the G1 wouldn't have made as much difference in the size category. Ended up with a Leica D-LUX 4. I had hoped for some 4/3 Leica glass for the G1, but the compact is Leica glass. Apples and oranges, yes. I may end up with a G1 in the future when all the lens offerings shake out.
Scott G
Newbie
I kept my G1 and sold the M8!
jarski
Veteran
As you know there is another shoe that dropped at the PMA and that is the short register Samsung NX. It too will use HD lcd vf and likely the 14mp sensor that got such good scores on the DXOmark (top 10 I believe)
and its crop factor is 1.5 being an APS DX camera.
now this is interesting (didnt know such thing existed) ! full frame EVF camera cant be that far anymore, perhaps comes out even before full frame DRF (if that ever shows up)
squirrel$$$bandit
Veteran
I've been holding out for an APS-C version of this concept, and the NX could be it. Especially if it's the same or a similar sensor to the Pentax K20D, my DSLR. I like the form factor a little better, too. If somebody comes out with M and FD adapters for it, I would be tempted indeed.
Also, it's worth noting that, as with the LX3, Panasonic is applying software correction to pictures taken with the m4/3 lenses, even in RAW. If it works, it works--but it's a little weird to think that your lenses aren't as inherently excellent as they appear.
Also, it's worth noting that, as with the LX3, Panasonic is applying software correction to pictures taken with the m4/3 lenses, even in RAW. If it works, it works--but it's a little weird to think that your lenses aren't as inherently excellent as they appear.
The Samsung looks interesting. I like the idea of APS-C. However, using wide M lenses will probably be even more of a challenge than it is on the G1 -- minor edge smearing could become mid-frame smearing. No articulating LCD (one of my favorite G1 features.) Cine lenses are out with the larger sensor.
The supplied G1 raw converter does corrections, but other converters do not.
The supplied G1 raw converter does corrections, but other converters do not.
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