Why I like "good stuff"

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I didn't want to possibly hijack Stephanie's excellent "But this photographer did this with just this..." thread but it made me think: I have always liked to use reasonably good gear, even if I only had one camera and a lens or two, because I like to take full responsibility for what I shoot -- occasionally for better and often for worse 🙂.

I never have and never will say "well, that could have been a better shot but I was using a Tower whatever and the film had sat on the dashboard for eight years..." I prefer comments like "Wow, you were using great film and some really nice gear...and your pictures still suck."
 
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Haha. Yes. I'm the same way. I want people to see that, while I can take good photos with my gear, I still use good gear when I take the bad ones. 😀
 
It is certainly best to have your photos limited only by your ability as a photographer, and not by your gear.

However, if you are a skilled photographer, you can take spectatular images with abysmal gear,
after all, it is the Photographer who makes the photo. There are many photographers who intentionally work with flawed gear (do the words Diana plastic camera ring a bell?), because it gives them a "look" to their images that fits their vision.

I personally like to photograph both ways. Using top notch gear, and also using old, inferior, undercorrected lens outfits just for the results they give.
 
here's a link to a group that specializes in exactly what phototone pointed out

toycamera.com

it goes to show that there's more to photography than getting an image.. there's vision

but I also happen to be in the 'gimmie the best equipment to screw up my pictures with' camp
 
I had an old gunsmith friend many years ago. One night we were talking about custom guns, quality tools and race cars. He said something that has always stayed with me: "The best that there is, is never too good."

He also always carried a pocket revolver with him. I asked him why he always carried it and he said, "I don't want to come home some night and be the only one here with out one."

If you have pride in your equipment and enjoy using it I believe that it adds to your pleasure in pursuing your hobby. If you want to shoot a Leica, Contax, Alpha, Hasselblad, Deardorff, or what ever and you have the means to acquire the tools; I say go for it and I will be happy for you.

Wayne
 
I´m sure that "good stuff" means something different for each one. For me is having a solid, heavy, metal made mechanical camera, with a fine lens, (may be an RF or SLR). For other people good stuf is a fully auto everything SLR with a variable focal lens (no batteries=no camera and no lens)... of course not the same as I like.
I like and enjoy the feeling of cameras and lenses made for last, not disposable, fully serviceable, and made either in Germany, FSU or Japan. This makes me feel comfortable, having good and dependable equipment.
 
ErnestoJL said:
I´m sure that "good stuff" means something different for each one.

That's true. For some, only a particular brand name will sooth their ego while for others the equipment must perform to their standard without regard for the marque it carries. I could give good examples of each but I'll just say that I tend toward the latter group. Most of those on this forum likely enjoy trying various makes and models of equipment just to experience them. I know I do and sometimes - often, in fact - I'm surprised by the quality of cameras and lenses that are frequently overlooked in favor of more popular gear.

The rise of digital cameras with the ensuing disposal of film gear has allowed me to acquire and use equipment that a few short years ago I couldn't have imagined owning. Cameras that cost hundreds of dollars new are now selling for pennies and they're still in good working order. This may go down as the "Golden Years" for collectors and film camera junkies. I can't speak for the rest of you but I'm in hog-Heaven and enjoying every minute of it. 😀

Walker
 
Then what kind of nut-case chooses --and pays for-- the highest precision available, but who uses film only 9.5mm wide? Why don't they shoot Tessina instead of Minox for the "big neg"? Maybe that's why some do/did!
 
An analogy to camera gear is acoustic guitars. I used to play a decent, but decidedly lower-end, acoustic six-string and was always chagrined when a really good player would borrow it and it suddenly sounded like a different instrument -- way better than its price and way, way better than it sounded when I played.

But that didn't stop me wanting a better guitar and I finally picked up a lovely one handcrafted by a local luthier. Now it's "no excuses". It even made me play better because I worked at coming up to the level of the instrument -- it was a motivator -- I even took some lessons.

Good gear is certainly not required, but it sure is nice!

Gene
 
GeneW said:
An analogy to camera gear is acoustic guitars.
Ha, I was about to post exactly the same thing 😀

I am not a terribly good guitarist. I would rate myself as just about mediocre. But I play an exceptionally fine instrument (imo some of the best guitars in the world are made in a small worskshop in Newtownards, Northern Ireland). It is very fine, it is definitely not cheap.

Why? Partly because we had some money left over from selling our house a few years ago and my wife wanted to treat me for me birthday. But partly because as long as I had been playing, that had been the instrument I had desired to own.

These desires were nothing to do with being seen to play that guitar - it was because I wanted to play it. Because it is truly a pleasure to play. And while it is always the player who makes the guitar sing, a good instrument can help a keen player play better - partly psychological or inspirational, and partly because there are no inadequacies in the instrument that a virtuoso may over come with ease, but that may stand in the way of the more average player. (And, incidentally, I guess there is some sentimental attachment to an instrument crafted by hand not very far from where I grew up.)

Now, to pull back on topic. I would describe myself as a mediocre photographer: certainly, in my own eyes, I am a very long way from making the images I want to make.

I spent a silly amount of money on a DSLR, because I was silly. These days I'm glad of having done it, because it reawakened my interest in photography (I had 'lapsed', if you like, and bought the DSLR from a techy-geek rather than a photographer point of view, if you get what I mean). That was maybe a year and a half ago. By now, I do most of my shooting with manual gear on BW film, and develop in my bathtub. However, the DSLR stills sees plenty of use, because there are some applications (I shoot gigs for local bands, for example) for which I find it the perfect tool.

Where am I going with this?

Right here: I am (and will be for a very long time) saving to buy myself a Leica M of some description - which one depending on how long and how hard I discipline myself to save. But a mediocre photographer doesn't 'need' a Leica. Indeed, I am very fond of my Bessa R.

I don't want a Leica because it's a Leica. In fact, I'm not sure I particularly want to become a 'Leica shooter'.

But a surprisingly significant part of the pleasure I get from making images is the process. Without shame, I enjoy the act of using a well-made mechanical camera, and of taking the time to do it as best as I possibly can. Solidly-made equipment is a pleasure to use.

When I get my Leica, I fully expect it to be the last 35mm camera I buy (strong words, I know - please don't hold me to them 😉), and I will expect it to outlive me and then some.

And I know it will be a much better camera than I will ever be a photographer. On some levels that does bother me - why am I not content with my Bessa R? I should be. It certainly doesn't limit me in my image-making.

I don't know.

Why do I write on good paper with a quality fountain pen filled with ink made by a small company that specialises in only making very good inks? Because you just can't beat it. I could write with a biro on a sheet of foolscap - it wouldn't affect the words I write.

But then, I'll still be using that pen in 50 years time (as long as I can still hold it, anyway) as well.

That's worth something.

What I'm trying to say is, it's not about 'aspiration' (I couldn't care less what people think about what I write with, or play, or shoot with). It's about 'inspiration' (I do care about what I think of what I write, play or shoot with. And about how others repond to what I write, play or shoot).

Therein lies the difference, for me.

(Sorry, I really can go on a bit, sometimes.)
 
The nice thing about this forum is that if you wait long enough the more articulate members will craft an answer for you. Thank you Goodyear, my thoughts exactly. Thanks for the tidbit on Newtonards and guitars as some of my wife's people were from there.

Bob
 
The only thing I like bad is a woman .... but I digress 😀

The benefit of having good stuff is that if my pictures suck then I know it's because I messed up and not my equipment. In photography there are already too many variables to be able to control, that I like to know that I can at least have control over my part of the event.

Btw I count a Holga as being good, as some things are so bad they go full circle and become good. I guess the Holga appeals to the wild fun side of my nature 😉
 
> Then what kind of nut-case chooses --and pays for-- the highest precision available, but
> who uses film only 9.5mm wide? Why don't they shoot Tessina instead of Minox for
> the "big neg"? Maybe that's why some do/did!
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I Pass Doug's Sanity test! I DO NOT have a Minox, and I sold off the Atoron.

http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1772
 
Mark:

Never say Never even when it comes to Leica. I've owned thee Ms over the past 40 years and each time I promised "I'll keep this one forever" but here I am, "Leicaless" (Ha! a new word--call Mr. Webster).

Leicaless: The condition of a photographer who has owned a Leica M and then sold it on a whim. Also see "Stupid."
 
Or...
Leicaless: The condition of a photographer who has owned a Leica M and then sold it after careful consideration. Also see "Independent Thinker."

And my contribution...
Leicalemming: a gullible fool that believes he has purchased HCB's talent along with the Leica light-box and lens.

P. S. I want to amend this to include that I find Leica gear to be of excellent quality and if I were not using Contax rangefinders I would still be using Leica (or preferably a Reid). A few things have amused me over the years regarding Leica; one is the mob-like mentality that exists with some people in the absence of critical evaluation -- and this can be found with many "prestige" items not limited to Leica or cameras. The other ties in with Stephanie's thread about other's opinions; on more than a few occasions after someone discovers what I paid for an Alpa camera or lens they will respond with "you could have bought a Leica.." As though Leica is a closely held secret that I wasn't privy to, or that I'm just not quite smart enough to know that I could have had a Leica instead 😀.
 
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Honu-Hugger said:
And my contribution...
Leicalemming: a gullible fool that believes he has purchased HCB's talent along with the Leica light-box and lens.

Got to love that.

Bob
 
Thanks GeneW & Godyear for your posts!
Both reflect my own thinking about high end gear and photography as well as with music.

Being a Leicaless man, on purpose and of course because I´m in no way able to afford any M and lens, I´m forced to do my best to get the pictures I want with the cameras I have. No excuses here, a good camera won´t make me a better photographer unless I push mi skills and imagination to the maximum.
I have a very nice example of what I say: in a 1969 issue of Popular Photography magazine there was an article titled: Are you as good as this box camera?
The author spent some time getting nice pictures with a simple and really primitive box camera, presumably loaded with 120 or 220 B&W film, it is one shutter speed, two different f settings, and lots of imagination.
Perhaps those were not pictures for an exhibition, but... they were far better than I would imagine, and better also of what I was able to do with a nice and new SLR.

Since then, I improved my techniques, skills and imagination, and I found happily that I do not need the best gear yet. There is a lot yet to improve within myself before I would need to replace any piece of my photo equipment.

But on the other hand...who is able to criticize anyone for buying a Leica, or a (my choice) Bessa R3A?

Good gear certainly is not required, but sure its nice! (GeneW)
 
This is kind of what I figured with the Canon P.

I had been thinking about grabbing Frank's Bessa R when I sold my Nikon if it was still available, but then I thought to myself 'I'd be better off either a: saving the money and getting one of the cameras I had been looking at or b: seeing if anyone had a beater Canon that I could get ahold of.' I think I'm going to like the choice I made.

I know that it isn't the equipment you use that makes your photography great, but it does help to use something that feels right. This camera, and the M3 as well, both feel right. It's why I still want to get an M3 at some point in the future.

And you're welcome to hijack my threads any day. 😛 It got off track at the end anyway. 😀
 
I like nice things too... and am prepared to wait for them, until I can afford them.

I'd rather dine out somewhere good than somewhere convienent and I think this attitude pervades much of what I do, including my photographic choices (film vs digital, etc). For me, that one pleasurable, if expensive experience/product is worth all of the many days of restraint (you should see what I eat all week, just for that one cheat meal Saturday night!).


To that end, I know that my next purchases are going to be an interchangable lens RF, probably about the time when the ZI's are hitting the used market, and an interchangable lens MF option, as well as a scanner that can do both. These things will cost me a bundle, and like many recovering students and underemployed teachers, I am broke right now. That's ok, I can wait. The waiting almost makes it better.

The thing is, I like life's little luxuries. Not a life of luxury, but breaks from the monotony where I can truly appreciate something, and take my time in doing so. Will I ever be able to use my cameras the way those better than me have? Maybe, but I liken it to wine...just because my palette isn't as sophisticated as some others, I can still enjoy something even if I'm not enjoying it in the same way as someone else.
 
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