Jurat
Member
I think the Fuji X series legitimately belongs in the rangefinder section not the non-rangefinder section right? They are all 3 good cameras with rangefinders. Or why is it in the non-rangefinder section?
kdemas
Enjoy Life.
It's technically not a rangefinder.
andredossantos
Well-known
Yup, there is no actual rangefinder inside the Fuji cameras. However, are they Inspired by rangefinders? Yes, undoubtedly.
sepiareverb
genius and moron
It's a point and shoot camera.
maggieo
More Deadly
It's an evil non-rangefinder!
rbelyell
Well-known
i guess its not in the 'rangefinder' category for the same reason its not in the 'twin lens reflex' category, or the 'large format' category, or the '120 RF' category, or the 'm4/3’ category...or...or...or any other category that by definition it isnt.
i have an x100. i love it. it's not 'evil', it's not a 'point & shoot', and it's also not a rangefinder. period.
i have an x100. i love it. it's not 'evil', it's not a 'point & shoot', and it's also not a rangefinder. period.
Spyro
Well-known
no camera is a rangefinder
this is a rangefinder:
and what if there was? There is a rangefinder in a U-Boat periscope, but nobody calls a U-Boat a "rangefinder"
there is no definition of a point and shoot camera, therefore calling it that means pretty much nothing
bensyverson
Well-known
The ideal definition for "Rangefinder camera" would be something like "A non-reflex camera with a built-in manual rangefinder."
That excludes all autofocus cameras, scale focus cameras, SLRs and TLRs. It includes both coupled and uncoupled manual focus rangefinder cameras only. It also leaves the door open for an autofocus camera that can switch to manual rangefinder mode (I wish).
The Fuji X is in the same boat as the Contax G. If you consider either of them to be rangefinders, then you must include all autofocus cameras as rangefinders, because by definition all autofocus mechanisms measure distance. So your iPhone becomes a rangefinder. Obviously the term loses any meaning if you do that.
The X, G, NEX and µ4/3 all belong to the same class of cameras, which unfortunately has no consensus name yet. I prefer "mirrorless," as the alternatives are uniformly terrible. (Compact System Camera? Interchangeable Lens Compact? Blah.)
That excludes all autofocus cameras, scale focus cameras, SLRs and TLRs. It includes both coupled and uncoupled manual focus rangefinder cameras only. It also leaves the door open for an autofocus camera that can switch to manual rangefinder mode (I wish).
The Fuji X is in the same boat as the Contax G. If you consider either of them to be rangefinders, then you must include all autofocus cameras as rangefinders, because by definition all autofocus mechanisms measure distance. So your iPhone becomes a rangefinder. Obviously the term loses any meaning if you do that.
The X, G, NEX and µ4/3 all belong to the same class of cameras, which unfortunately has no consensus name yet. I prefer "mirrorless," as the alternatives are uniformly terrible. (Compact System Camera? Interchangeable Lens Compact? Blah.)
raytoei@gmail.com
Veteran
a zone focused camera is based on distance,
that is why rollei 35s and possibly the minox
topics are found within the RF forums.
a fuji x100 or x10 or x1pro are beautiful cameras
but they are more inspired by rangefinders than
actual range finders.
raytoei
that is why rollei 35s and possibly the minox
topics are found within the RF forums.
a fuji x100 or x10 or x1pro are beautiful cameras
but they are more inspired by rangefinders than
actual range finders.
raytoei
CVickery
Established
The Contax G is a rangefinder actually, the only one with autofocus IIRC.
Here's a description of the SLR vs rangefinder systems
http://www.photozone.de/slr-vs-rangefinder
Lax Jought
Well-known
I always thought a rangefinder camera uses a focusing mechanism that are used in ... rangefinder cameras like the Leica M-mount cameras.
The Fuji X Series cameras are neither rangefinders nor coffee makers.
no camera is a rangefinder
this is a rangefinder:
and what if there was? There is a rangefinder in a U-Boat periscope, but nobody calls a U-Boat a "rangefinder"
there is no definition of a point and shoot camera, therefore calling it that means pretty much nothing
wow, this post is so ludicrously off on so many levels.
LOL
Stephen
Spyro
Well-known
There's a crowd that doesnt care so much about how the camera achieves its focus, as long as it offers a usable method. But they do care, and they care very much, about the side benefits of using an RF to achieve focus: it means you can have a smaller system, non retrofocus wides, big bright OVF that sees outside the frame, no mirror slap, no mirror black out. These are the things that attracted them to M cameras in the first place, and these things is what "RF" really means to them. And understandably, they call every camera that achieves these things an RF, regardless if it actually contains an RF or not.
RF is a wrong definition anyway, a rangefinder has more things in common with a measuring tape than with a Leica.
RF is a wrong definition anyway, a rangefinder has more things in common with a measuring tape than with a Leica.
sepiareverb
genius and moron
there is no definition of a point and shoot camera, therefore calling it that means pretty much nothing
In my book any camera that you can point at a subject, press the shutter button and get a reasonably exposed, focussed negative qualifies. So, F100 (w/ an AF lens), G2, Fuji X.
And in some cases, an M7 at f16.
kbg32
neo-romanticist
The Contax G system is technically an auto-focus rangefinder. Quite unlike the Fuji X series, which do not have rangefinder focus systems at all. They are only made to look like a rangefinder.
Spyro
Well-known
In my book any camera that you can point at a subject, press the shutter button and get a reasonably exposed, focussed negative qualifies. So, F100 (w/ an AF lens), G2, Fuji X.
And in some cases, an M7 at f16.
and any dslr that has an A or P mode
includes Leica s2.
tbarker13
shooter of stuff
In my book any camera that you can point at a subject, press the shutter button and get a reasonably exposed, focussed negative qualifies. So, F100 (w/ an AF lens), G2, Fuji X.
And in some cases, an M7 at f16.
I guess your book includes my Nikon D700 and just about every other autofocus SLR or DSLR on the planet.
The Contax G and Fuji X-Pro are indeed in the same class of cameras -- intechangeable lens Point N Shoots. Not there is anything wrong with that, any more than there is something wrong with a SLR being a SLR or a View Camera being a View Camera.
Now you might wonder ask Contax G posts are not moved to Point N shoot at RFF. Truth is, I feel sorry for the people who bought them thinking the Contax G / G2 was a rangefinder. They got hosed if they thought they were buying a rangefinder.
Stephen