Wide angle lenses and their distortion amounts

LeicaFoReVer

Addicted to Rangefinders
Local time
3:07 PM
Joined
Jul 10, 2008
Messages
1,373
Location
Turkey
I am wondering comparison of most common wide angle (<35mm) lenses (LTM or M mount) with respect to their distortion amounts. Could you please provide the information if you know for any?
 
Last edited:
I hope you get answer, I don't know it. This distortion really bugs me. I would rather have fuzzy edges than barrel distortion. I'm constantly correcting (digitally) for this problem; something I don't like to do. My experience is that RF lenses are less prone, but my experience is limited.
 
Well come one somebody must some idea...

the users of Voigtlander 15mm or 12mm, do you know how much distortion your lenses have?
 
You can check how much distortion each ZM lens shows from the data sheets available at the Zeiss website (here). There's a data sheet for each lens.
 
My 21/3.4 Super-Angulon-M and 35mm Summilux pre-ASPH lenses are free from visible distortion, one reason why I prefer them over the newer models.
 
You can get distortion info on many older Leica lenses from Puts, here:

http://en.leica-camera.com/assets/file/download.php?filename=file_1754.pdf

CV 12, 15, 21, 25 and 28 are pretty clean. Basically not visible in web posts. The 35/2.5 and 35/1.7 as well. The 35/1.4 and 1.2 have some barrel distortion.

KM-Hexanons 28 and 35 are clean as well (similar to the respective Elmarit and Summicron). The 35 UC, as well as older Nikkor (35/1.8) and Hexar AF lenses have some noticeable distortion.

In general barrel distortion is much more pronounced close up than at infinity.

All that I remember for now. Hope this helps.

Roland.
 
Thank you guys very much. Now we have some information.

Well I am not sure 12mm 15mm's distortions are clean. I can clearly see in some web images some distortion close to the corners, especially if you have some people or faces, which are skewed.

Looks like nobody tried to compare different brands to each other before?
 
Last edited:
Well I am not sure 12mm 15mm's distortions are clean. I can clearly see in some web images some distortion close to the corners, especially if you have some people or faces, which are skewed.

Some wides have minimal to zero barrel or pincushion distortion but they all exhibit perspective distortion.
 
LFRV,

faces at the corner of a wide angle lens photo look strange due to perspective, this is not considered lens distortion. Distortion of a (non-fish-eye) lens causes original lines in the scene to be non-linear in the picture (for example barrel and pin-cushion distortion).

For example (taken with the 15mm Heliar):

48878761_ga7cH-O-1.jpg


People look strange in the corner, but lines are straight, so little or no distortion.

Or (taken with the CV 35/1.4 SC)

637483188_dUzG7-XL.jpg


You can see how the originally straight columns on the left and right bend outwards in the middle. This is barrel distortion.

Roland.
 
Last edited:
I shoot a lot with the 15mm Heliar, and a lot of these get used on my blog http://thepriceofsilver.blogspot.com. Lately I've been cropping a few photos and blowingup just a corner of the image because I think the distortion makes for a strangely interesting picture!

My post for Thursday, November 26th, 2009 is one of these. The white haired guy on the right is close to dead center in the full frame.
 
Last edited:
I see what you mean Ferider. Thank you very much for the information.

I found that was already discussed in another thread 2 days ago. I am going to post the link here:

http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=81588

It seems like biogon 21mm is the winner.

My personal conclusion is, for most RF lenses, either they distort or they don't. In other words, the differences between Biogon, Super Angulon, Color Skopars, etc. is so minuscule that they don't matter unless you shoot on a tripod with level. If you shoot free hand, the error introduced by not holding your camera perfectly level (and not parallel to the scene) is bigger than the distortion of the lens. If you shoot architecture with a tripod, RFs are the wrong tool, IMO.

For lenses that show distortion like the Nokton above, you can mostly work around it or even incorporate it in the picture, like I tried in the Museum shot.

Roland.
 
Last edited:
While the Super Angulon is a symmetric design (or very close to it), an interesting fact is that it is a double reversed-telephoto design. It's very, very similar to the Biogon design in the Hasselblad SWC.

The Zeiss ZM 35/2 and 21/4.5 are very low distortion designs. So is the Leica 28/2.8 Elmarit ASPH.

As far as I know, the Zeiss 21 Distagon for SLRs has some higher order distortion ('mustache').
 
...and just to though in another comment; the Nikon (SLR) 15mm f/3.5 AIS is an extremely well corrected lens with almost no visible trace of distortion. This lens is also considerably better than the CV 15mm across the entire field of view. (But its just damn big and heavy)
 
Carl Gauss (yes as in Gaussian) proved that three dimensions couldn’t be represented on a plane without distortion.

Since any 3D space translated to a plane is a map projection, and all map projections must distort, I can’t remember the name of the work

Every map projection distorts in its own way, the OP is after a perfect cylindrical projection, where all the lines are straight but the relative areas vary, so you’re bound to get that odd stuff going on in the corners, it isn’t a fault
 
I've tried many wide angle lenses for may formats and systems. Leica has sold a couple of near zero distortion lenses; the Super Angulons are the most commonly seen. The newer 21's have more distortion. The older, slower lenses all had near zero distortion, while the faster lenses and the 28 and wider lenses produced after the M5 came out have more.

The V/C 12, 15 and 21 have a little bit of distortion, but it's rarely a problem. The old Leica Hologon had none, but it's almost perfectly symmetrical, or as symmetrical as a lens designed to focus at long distances can get. Unfortunately at f/8 or t/16 with the filter it's a bit hard to use at times. It also doesn't really focus to infinity, and it's too valuable for me to take a file to it.

Until recently, really good distortion free or nearly free strongly retrofocus lenses were impossible or impractical to design. That's no longer the case; just look at the new 24 and 17TS-E lenses from Canon. Outstanding in every way, including distortion and with gigantic image circles. I had despaired that Canon could design a decent lens wider than 35, but these proved me wrong. If anything, they show up recent Nikon designs.

Nikon has had a spotty record in retrofocus wides. Most of their 20's have had fairly low levels of distortion, as did the 15/3.5 and even the f/5.6 wasn't that bad, but the 18's were/are among the very worst. Utter disasters re distortion. As is, unfortunately, the otherwise excellent 21/2.8 Biogon for SLR's. It's not as bad as the 18's of Nikon but the distortion levels make the lens quite unattractive for me otherwise.

As mentioned, many zooms have serious distortion problems but there are exceptions. A lens that I got as a replacement/extension for the 16-35/2.8 Canon (quite a bad lens in many ways considering the price) is the Sigma 12-24 for full frame; the widest zoom and very little distortion! It's not nearly as good as the 14-24 Nikon or the 7-14 Panasonic, but as far as distortion performance goes it's excellent. The Panasonic, by the way has extremely high levels of barrel distortion, but due to the software correction it's unlikely one will ever see any distortion in normal use. In practice it has extremely low levels of distortion. This is in my opinion an excellent way to use technology to advantage. Through letting the distortion go where it may and correcting it in software Panasonic has been able to correct most of the other aberrations to an extremely high level and produce and amazingly small and first rate lens that is competitive with anyone's.

In any case, for rangefinders the older, slow lenses are generally excellent regarding distortion, and the newer ones that allow you to TTL meter are not as good. I'm keeping my Super Angulon f/3.4, even though I have the 21 Summilux, the 21VC and WATE. Each has it's purpose.
 
Last edited:
I've never noticed distortion with the CV 12mm f/5.6, 21mm f/4, 25mm f/4, 28mm f/3.5, or 35mm f/2.5, LTM lenses. I dare say there's some, but it is never enough to be obvious. Then again I never photograph brick walls. Ok, I do - but not because I'm testing the lens. Sometimes I just like bricks.
 
Back
Top Bottom