Worries that aren't unique to me?

Basically, I'm going to uni in 2 years. I want to study in France (because I think I'll be happier with my camera there than England) but chances are that I'll end up somewhere in England.

I think you should go to France, really just go and be happy, its not fair on anybody, especially the population of England, to do otherwise.

It is the perennial excuse of a weak mind that the grass is always greener on the other side, and if as an artist you can't embrace the realities of life by absorbing the experiences of the good and the bad, and want everything perfect, well, what sort of artist is that? People go to Uni to learn, artists go places to learn, holidaymakers go places to be happy.

Steve
 
What's wrong with suburbs? HCB's puddle jumper comes right from there 🙂

At the and of this year office I'm working at probably will move to suburb so I'm better getting prepared to flush world with jumpers. At least once a week I'm planning also to go to the downtown before or after office hours.

I have to say - either photograph or not. Either create opportunities or find them in your surroundings. There are no ideal conditions to do this or that.
 
The key is to enjoy yourself, not to make comment of "what a real photographer would find to do" here or there. Find a place where you'd be happy to grab your camera and go out everyday. Could be anywhere, but it's up to you and no one will be able to tell you where it is.

Great advice worth repeating.

Also, the "right" uni isn't as cracked up as everyone makes it out to be. We've all stressed out about choosing the right uni, but you'll do fine anywhere. Generally, big schools are nice because they will offer more in terms of people you meet and clubs you can join, but folks argue that they're less intimate. In the end, life will work itself out for ya.
 
A thought that keeps popping up in my head is: for a real street photog, does it matter where you are?

From a professional point of view, photographing popular places many people like to see or fantasize about is certainly more rewarding, in being easier to sell. But is it more noble, interesting or even enjoyable in the long run?

Doing portraits of third rate media personalities pays better than portraits of farmers, photographing panda bears in a zoo pays better than photographing some near-extinct mole out in a remote desert, and photographing mail order catalogues is a far more feasible way of making a living than doing fine-art still-life - nonetheless most people would opt for the latter each as a work of passion, and consider the former hard earned money...

Also, it's strange that there aren't more unis in France that are primarily for teaching French in English, but I guess that's what the year-abroad programmes are about…

The classic way to learn a language is in that language itself, and at the very best, you can get some crash course enabling your first steps - the rest won't be cross-language. English is a bid of a odd man out there, as our modern times Lingua Franca, trade pidgin English, is taught to aspiring MBAs in cross-language courses everywhere. But there is no similar application for rudimentary French. If you want to learn French at a university, you'll often have to do it the old, hard way, and with the target of enabling you to comprehend (or even write) poetry and literature - on the positive side, that way you'll have learned something more valuable than merely doing Excel sheets and Powerpoint presentations in yet another language.
 
Great advice worth repeating.

Also, the "right" uni isn't as cracked up as everyone makes it out to be. We've all stressed out about choosing the right uni, but you'll do fine anywhere. Generally, big schools are nice because they will offer more in terms of people you meet and clubs you can join, but folks argue that they're less intimate. In the end, life will work itself out for ya.
Been telling my mum not to worry about which uni I choose for a very long time, and yet she persists. All I'm concerned about is location and course — what I do after uni, I'll figure out after uni.


From a professional point of view, photographing popular places many people like to see or fantasize about is certainly more rewarding, in being easier to sell. But is it more noble, interesting or even enjoyable in the long run?

Doing portraits of third rate media personalities pays better than portraits of farmers, photographing panda bears in a zoo pays better than photographing some near-extinct mole out in a remote desert, and photographing mail order catalogues is a far more feasible way of making a living than doing fine-art still-life - nonetheless most people would opt for the latter each as a work of passion, and consider the former hard earned money...



The classic way to learn a language is in that language itself, and at the very best, you can get some crash course enabling your first steps - the rest won't be cross-language. English is a bid of a odd man out there, as our modern times Lingua Franca, trade pidgin English, is taught to aspiring MBAs in cross-language courses everywhere. But there is no similar application for rudimentary French. If you want to learn French at a university, you'll often have to do it the old, hard way, and with the target of enabling you to comprehend (or even write) poetry and literature - on the positive side, that way you'll have learned something more valuable than merely doing Excel sheets and Powerpoint presentations in yet another language.

Good points mentioned which I'll certainly keep in mind. Depending on how I feel when the time comes, I might just go for a French uni and find a course on French language or something.
 
Hi,

Have you thought about not going to university just yet (especially if uncertain)? You could take a year off from learning, get a job and some savings. Then decide having been able to think it out carefully and away from pressure to go now.

Photography might not be an idea for a trade but as a hobby it could keep you sane and provide an interest outside of work and other pressures.

Regards, David
 
Hi,

Have you thought about not going to university just yet (especially if uncertain)? You could take a year off from learning, get a job and some savings. Then decide having been able to think it out carefully and away from pressure to go now.

Photography might not be an idea for a trade but as a hobby it could keep you sane and provide an interest outside of work and other pressures.

Regards, David

I have considered taking a gap year, but not in a lot of detail…I'd probably try to be a teacher's assistant for languages or something. If I had all the money I wanted, I'd just travel all over Europe and China and shoot hundreds of rolls.
 
I have considered taking a gap year, but not in a lot of detail…I'd probably try to be a teacher's assistant for languages or something. If I had all the money I wanted, I'd just travel all over Europe and China and shoot hundreds of rolls.

If you do decide on a gap year -- and I'd heartily recommend it -- then consider taking a TEFL/TESL course (Teaching of English as a Foreign Language/Second Language). They are surprisingly short and cheap for such a widely accepted qualification and for such a relatively lucrative occupation (by gap year standards, anyway).

Cheers,

R.
 
Hey I can definitely relate to what you are talking about, I myself recently graduated and I relatively still ask myself these questions (where did the last 4 years go ?)
One thing for example I can tell you is, had I not moved to a different city to study, I would not have discovered photography, it just opened my eyes in ways I don't think possible back home.

For the rest I feel like you do, work is work, not sure I can ever wake up in the morning and feel happy about going to work even though I don't technically hate what I do, but I'm happiest with a camera in my hands

cheers
 
Probably there are dozens of xxloverxx'es over the other side in France thinking to study in England "(because I think I'll be happier with my camera there than France)".

You still have two looong years to decide on these in a more healthy way.. But whatever you do, first prepare yourself to concentrate on getting a degree from a university or learning a trade and while doing it you can ponder about where you'd take better street pictures as long as you wish.
 
A TEFL course would be interesting…thanks, I'll have a look.

Lauffray, right now I'm hoping that wherever I end up, I'll learn something new and valuable. From past experiences, everywhere I've travelled has taught me something (whether I can express it in words or not). I guess 4 years'll just be a long vacation, in a way. Full of studying. And, hopefully, friends.

Bob, I still have time, but only until May, actually — UCAS applications are sent in October this year. I agree, degree will come first, but I hear there's a lot of free time compared to the IB diploma (which is hell). Almost makes me look forward to uni, doing IB.
 
Bob, I still have time, but only until May, actually — UCAS applications are sent in October this year. I agree, degree will come first, but I hear there's a lot of free time compared to the IB diploma (which is hell). Almost makes me look forward to uni, doing IB.

Just curiosity: You say you're going to uni in two years, so you must be 15, 16?? And you began shooting in 2009? Some of those pictures were shot by someone 13 years-old travelling down to Far East??
 
I wouldn't worry about making street photographs as much as just making great photos in general of whatever happens to be around. If you love photography, you'll find something wherever you are located.
 
There really is no "there" there, as someone said. No streets, no people, not even much nature to see. (Curious that people who want to get away from the city seem as afraid of nature as their fellow man.)

That said, I have been shooting most every Friday evening in Ardmore, PA, while my kid has orchestra rehearsal. This is an "inner" suburb of Philadelphia, more like a small town than a modern suburb. There is quite a bit to see and capture.

To the OP, you want to be in a city if you want to shoot. You have no shortage of interesting subjects, animate and inanimate, and surprisingly, a lot of nature close at hand. Besides, you're young, you don't want to be in a boring place.

(Maybe you should NEVER want to be in a boring place!)

Randy

"No place is boring, if you've had a good night's sleep and have a pocket full of unexposed film" - Robert Adams
 
street photography in Paris is an open invitation to produce cliches. The guy with the beret and the baguette has been sone to death....and youre not HCB.

After living for two years in Paris, I realized I'm much more energized in Durham NC or Jackson MS, where I am embedded in the culture, not awed by it, and can easier see the subtleties as opposed to being seduced by the cliches.
 
street photography in Paris is an open invitation to produce cliches. The guy with the beret and the baguette has been sone to death....and youre not HCB.

After living for two years in Paris, I realized I'm much more energized in Durham NC or Jackson MS, where I am embedded in the culture, not awed by it, and can easier see the subtleties as opposed to being seduced by the cliches.

I'm sorry, but I do live in Paris and I would say, reading your first sentence, that you haven't. Yet you said you have.
Finding this ****ing dude with beret today in Paris would be a challenge already, c'mon, are you sure you have?
See my website bellow, go to "belleville" and there are some street photography from Paris, made last year. Where's that dude with the beret? And the baguette? Where have you been theses two years in Paris? Paris is big enough, you'll find cliche only if you search for them. If you walk the city with an open mind, you'll come up with something else.
 
Maybe I missed it, but what do you want to study ?

You say you don't want to photograph professionally. What do you want to do professionally ?

And I disagree with some comments made above, picking the right school can be important.
 
I dunno if this is relevant but years ago when I worked rather than pottered about we used to need and recruit linguists. The best ones had done the language at school, not done exams like "A" level but had, instead, gone off for a year or so and worked in France or wherever. Then they came back speaking good French and were very useful with our customers and overseas colleagues, mainly because they understood spoken French.

The ones who'd done a degree could discus French literature but were a little to academic for our liking. Although good as serious translators into English. They also had a lot of problems with local accents.

Regards, David

PS What are you aiming to do in the long run, rather than now?
 
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