Phantomas
Well-known
I'd be tripping over myself running to buy a full-frame mirorless. Anything smaller than D700, I'd love it. I hope Sony does something with their NEX. According to the latest interview they "plan to expand NEX range in couple of directions", which I suspect doesn't necessarily mean full-frame but more diversified including a little more manually flexible (enthusiast) model (?) They also said such range expansion will happen very soon. Spring?
edit: BUT, looking at the lens line-up of all those mirorless manufacturers doesn't really support a full-frame cam. At least not as they are currently.
edit: BUT, looking at the lens line-up of all those mirorless manufacturers doesn't really support a full-frame cam. At least not as they are currently.
Kent
Finally at home...
No, I wouldn't.
Because of three reasons:
1. It would be very expensive, I guess.
2. I've got a 5D and don't need another fullframe cam really.
3. I want the EVIL cams to use lenses that cannot be used on a DSLR, including some c-mount lenses.
If someone gave one to me for nothing, I would be felxible, though, and gratefully take it.
Because of three reasons:
1. It would be very expensive, I guess.
2. I've got a 5D and don't need another fullframe cam really.
3. I want the EVIL cams to use lenses that cannot be used on a DSLR, including some c-mount lenses.
If someone gave one to me for nothing, I would be felxible, though, and gratefully take it.
Tompas
Wannabe Künstler
+1
This will mean no, because currently electronic viewfinders are not just slightly worse -- they haven't even made it into the third league.
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dng88
Dennis
FF is better. If the lens itself comes with the system is cheap, it is good. If not, for most mounts, we have option in using other lens. With some lens profiling, one can handle many issues like CA, darker corners etc.
But I wonder whether this would be good idea of 645 or larger sensor. Of course, it is an alternative to S2/645D like Nex to M8/9, but in this case, it is really has to prompt one to ask, why?
One hope that one can have cheap on the newly designed lens for new 645 sized EVIL camera.
Otherwise, getting an old lens to work is much more problematic. Except for a few like Mamiya 7, most MF interchangable lens are large (due to SLR mirror design). Whilst I would to test my Hassey and my P67 lens on my nex3 soon, I do not consider this is viable lens. Compared with my 50f3.5 Leica old lens, the 50f4 Hessey and 55f4 P65 is really big. Carrying such a large lens would not be nice. Reaching that point, I am not sure I want to handle hand etc. Then you go back that you probably can use only the new camera system's own lens. One can only hope that it is cheap.
Just my thought.
But I wonder whether this would be good idea of 645 or larger sensor. Of course, it is an alternative to S2/645D like Nex to M8/9, but in this case, it is really has to prompt one to ask, why?
One hope that one can have cheap on the newly designed lens for new 645 sized EVIL camera.
Otherwise, getting an old lens to work is much more problematic. Except for a few like Mamiya 7, most MF interchangable lens are large (due to SLR mirror design). Whilst I would to test my Hassey and my P67 lens on my nex3 soon, I do not consider this is viable lens. Compared with my 50f3.5 Leica old lens, the 50f4 Hessey and 55f4 P65 is really big. Carrying such a large lens would not be nice. Reaching that point, I am not sure I want to handle hand etc. Then you go back that you probably can use only the new camera system's own lens. One can only hope that it is cheap.
Just my thought.
Roger Hicks
Veteran
More to the point, one might ask the camera manufacturers two questions:
1: Would you make one?
2: Why?
As Kent says, it ain't gonna be cheap. and as Tompas says, EVFs have a way to go yet.
In some ways, the likeliest candidate to make one (later rather than sooner) is Leica. Of course, if they do, there'll be the immediate snivelling that it costs too much.
Cheers,
R.
1: Would you make one?
2: Why?
As Kent says, it ain't gonna be cheap. and as Tompas says, EVFs have a way to go yet.
In some ways, the likeliest candidate to make one (later rather than sooner) is Leica. Of course, if they do, there'll be the immediate snivelling that it costs too much.
Cheers,
R.
Ken Ford
Refuses to suffer fools
Not until EVFs are indistinguishable from OVFs. Even better, put in a hybrid OVF/EVF like the new X100 and I'll sit up and take notice.
JoeFriday
Agent Provacateur
This is very similar to the question of whether or not you would buy an auto-focus rangefinder. There are proponents on both sides of the fence... the purists who insist manual is the only way to go... and the people who embrace additional features.
Having used an Olympus Pen (E-P2) for almost a year now, I can say the camera is wonderful. And the EVF, while not perfect, is used about 90% of the time.
I absolutely love how my camera can use every lens I have (including my summicrons), and will probably adapt to any other lens I happen to find.
There are two drawbacks that annoy me with the camera, tho. The shutter lag is minimal, and not too noticeable in manual focus mode. But it's still there, and does occasionally make me wish I had an M-body in my hand.
But mainly it's the 2X crop factor that bothers me. I don't shoot wide angle too often, so it's not as much of a problem as it would be for other people. But it means that legacy glass isn't quite as useful as it could be. A 35mm summicron suddenly becomes a portrait lens.
So, a full frame EVIL camera with the requisite manual features and manual focus control would immediately eliminate half my complaints. Adding in an improved EVF would be icing on the cake. I think the cost factor is the only true issue.
Having used an Olympus Pen (E-P2) for almost a year now, I can say the camera is wonderful. And the EVF, while not perfect, is used about 90% of the time.
I absolutely love how my camera can use every lens I have (including my summicrons), and will probably adapt to any other lens I happen to find.
There are two drawbacks that annoy me with the camera, tho. The shutter lag is minimal, and not too noticeable in manual focus mode. But it's still there, and does occasionally make me wish I had an M-body in my hand.
But mainly it's the 2X crop factor that bothers me. I don't shoot wide angle too often, so it's not as much of a problem as it would be for other people. But it means that legacy glass isn't quite as useful as it could be. A 35mm summicron suddenly becomes a portrait lens.
So, a full frame EVIL camera with the requisite manual features and manual focus control would immediately eliminate half my complaints. Adding in an improved EVF would be icing on the cake. I think the cost factor is the only true issue.
uhoh7
Veteran
I fear you are right: just what we need: another tiny sensor.
ZeissFan
Veteran
I'm only planning one more digital purchase. This isn't it, because we won't be seeing a full-frame camera in this category for a long time.
Nokton48
Veteran
Another short answer: No.
But I will be buying another Nex-3 (to use as a backup to my first one). Especially when the price drops, as the new models roll out. My Nex-3 is just fine for my uses, I really like it, especially for the costs involved. And I don't want to buy new batteries, cards, etc.
The LCD screen and 7x magnifier are all I need. I will run it into the ground.
But I will be buying another Nex-3 (to use as a backup to my first one). Especially when the price drops, as the new models roll out. My Nex-3 is just fine for my uses, I really like it, especially for the costs involved. And I don't want to buy new batteries, cards, etc.
The LCD screen and 7x magnifier are all I need. I will run it into the ground.
Pherdinand
the snow must go on
Nikon is making one.
I heard it from a forum member who heard it from a guy wearing a PHILIPS shirt at the Buffalo Chicken Wings on friday evening.
The guy was drinking faygo.
I heard it from a forum member who heard it from a guy wearing a PHILIPS shirt at the Buffalo Chicken Wings on friday evening.
The guy was drinking faygo.
gekopaca
French photographer
Not necessarily if they improve the low light performances and the dynamic range of the M43 sensors.
Because now the X2 crop factor isn't an issue for me (I've got all the accurate and fast lenses I need, except a 11mm but it will be made soon).
If they make a FF mirorless it will be certainly quite expensive (not as a M9, but FF sensor are still expensive!) and I should change all my lovely C-mount lenses.
So : I'm hoping for a M43 camera with above specifications :
- the new great sensor I spoke before,
- "X-100 like" EVF
- black paint
- silent shutter
- tiltable screen
- not too small (for good ergonomy)
Actually, something like a panasonic LC1 with a very good M43 sensor and a tiltable screen.
I think it's possible!
Because now the X2 crop factor isn't an issue for me (I've got all the accurate and fast lenses I need, except a 11mm but it will be made soon).
If they make a FF mirorless it will be certainly quite expensive (not as a M9, but FF sensor are still expensive!) and I should change all my lovely C-mount lenses.
So : I'm hoping for a M43 camera with above specifications :
- the new great sensor I spoke before,
- "X-100 like" EVF
- black paint
- silent shutter
- tiltable screen
- not too small (for good ergonomy)
Actually, something like a panasonic LC1 with a very good M43 sensor and a tiltable screen.
I think it's possible!
gekopaca
French photographer
Unfortunately last rumors I read said it will be a X2.5 crop factor sensor!
The system should be named “Nikon Coolpix PRO“
We should have news soon (April the 4th)
charjohncarter
Veteran
Yes, I would buy one, but it would have to maintain auto focus of my primes (SLR) and have a GOOD converter for my range finder lenses. I don't take my DSLR out of the house now, because it is too bulky and heavy. But I feel like most here it will be a long time coming.
kuzano
Veteran
Feed your FF lust for adapted lenses for $1000
Feed your FF lust for adapted lenses for $1000
Good Canon 5D I cameras are selling in large numbers for $1000.
It has a very good reputation. Adaptors for almost all lenses are available. It has an Optical viewfinder. It's not that large. I suspect it would weigh in and be about the size of any full frame mirrorless camera.
The current selling price is likely a drop in the bucket compared to any FF mirrorless camera, IF SOMEONE WOULD ACTUALLY BUILD ONE.
Satisfy your lust right now. Then you'll know if you would drop 5 to 7 grand for what you describe.
Feed your FF lust for adapted lenses for $1000
Good Canon 5D I cameras are selling in large numbers for $1000.
It has a very good reputation. Adaptors for almost all lenses are available. It has an Optical viewfinder. It's not that large. I suspect it would weigh in and be about the size of any full frame mirrorless camera.
The current selling price is likely a drop in the bucket compared to any FF mirrorless camera, IF SOMEONE WOULD ACTUALLY BUILD ONE.
Satisfy your lust right now. Then you'll know if you would drop 5 to 7 grand for what you describe.
DougFord
on the good foot
cheap and dirty.
I could see a non-camera electronics manufacturer producing a 'generic' FF camera modeled after the NEX3 design.
Very basic body design with live-view, articulating LCD with a proper hot shoe.
More of an experimenters/hobbyist camera with an open source programmable interface.
It would be imperative to implement some sort of PD focus confirmation system, perhaps Fuji's pixel masking solution.
I could see a non-camera electronics manufacturer producing a 'generic' FF camera modeled after the NEX3 design.
Very basic body design with live-view, articulating LCD with a proper hot shoe.
More of an experimenters/hobbyist camera with an open source programmable interface.
It would be imperative to implement some sort of PD focus confirmation system, perhaps Fuji's pixel masking solution.
Gabriel M.A.
My Red Dot Glows For You
mfunnell
Shaken, so blurred
An age ago in "digital time". Yet the photos it takes are still just as good...
...Mike
