furcafe
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You're right, I stand corrected. Thought it was working correctly in S or C mode, but certainly doesn't now.
x-pro 1 bug list
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furcafe
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Dante_Stella
Rex canum cattorumque
Here are a couple more I noted. Ok, how about 13?
1. Grid lines do not diminish in size when you drop the VF mag to 0.3x. This is going to be a problem when the really wide lenses come out, since there is no electronic level on the pitch axis.
2. Auto WB can't handle sodium light and some fluorescent lights.
3. Continuous mode doesn't always buffer well with Ultra II cards. Still much better than the X100.
4. In consecutive shots at the same distance (usually around 2m), the camera sometimes does a complete refocus on one of the shots. Randomly.
5. Camera should decide faster that AF is going to fail. The X100 seems to know almost instantly.
6. Flash EV comp zero point is about 2/3 of a stop low.
7. No arbitrary slowest shutter speed for auto ISO. Whoever designed this does not track his small children in low light...
8. Auto ISO precludes use of flash EV comp, just like on the X100.
9. Percentage battery indicator. Please!
10. Need a persistent, third dotted-line focusing bracket in OVF mode - with a denoted distance (just as you see one for the closest focusing distance, this one would between it and the "infinity" bracket)
11. And the same way there is a "correct AF" bracket always visible, it wouldn't be a bad idea to add a dotted box that shows the size of the field at 1m. No surprises.
12. Should have a "focus near, focus far" focus limiting function.
13. And since it wouldn't require a redesign or any major work, how about a chrome-plated flash shoe and insert?. Black shoes look like hell after a short amount of time.
1. Grid lines do not diminish in size when you drop the VF mag to 0.3x. This is going to be a problem when the really wide lenses come out, since there is no electronic level on the pitch axis.
2. Auto WB can't handle sodium light and some fluorescent lights.
3. Continuous mode doesn't always buffer well with Ultra II cards. Still much better than the X100.
4. In consecutive shots at the same distance (usually around 2m), the camera sometimes does a complete refocus on one of the shots. Randomly.
5. Camera should decide faster that AF is going to fail. The X100 seems to know almost instantly.
6. Flash EV comp zero point is about 2/3 of a stop low.
7. No arbitrary slowest shutter speed for auto ISO. Whoever designed this does not track his small children in low light...
8. Auto ISO precludes use of flash EV comp, just like on the X100.
9. Percentage battery indicator. Please!
10. Need a persistent, third dotted-line focusing bracket in OVF mode - with a denoted distance (just as you see one for the closest focusing distance, this one would between it and the "infinity" bracket)
11. And the same way there is a "correct AF" bracket always visible, it wouldn't be a bad idea to add a dotted box that shows the size of the field at 1m. No surprises.
12. Should have a "focus near, focus far" focus limiting function.
13. And since it wouldn't require a redesign or any major work, how about a chrome-plated flash shoe and insert?. Black shoes look like hell after a short amount of time.
Is that all Dante? 😉
Dante_Stella
Rex canum cattorumque
Sorry - how about these two from today:
1. With the EF-42, if the flash is charging up, the camera won't let you take a picture at all. Tip: if you are using the camera intermittently, do not switch the camera off.
2. If you use the AE/AF lock to focus in M mode, the framelines don't adjust for the distance.
Dante
1. With the EF-42, if the flash is charging up, the camera won't let you take a picture at all. Tip: if you are using the camera intermittently, do not switch the camera off.
2. If you use the AE/AF lock to focus in M mode, the framelines don't adjust for the distance.
Dante
kuzano
Veteran
Dante.... I blame you...
Dante.... I blame you...
Having found your site years ago, you ARE THE REASON I have been lugging around an array of Big Texas Rangefinders. I still do, and probably will to the end.
Now that I have seen your thoughts on this new Fuji Pro, while I was not interested before, I will be even less interested.
While I am still also shooting a pretty worn out S5 Pro (280,000+ shutter actuations), I have placed myself in the Olympus 4/3 for some time for digital. Fuji has mightily distressed me by not pursuing an S6 pro or beyond.
So, as a consideration for all the miles I've trucked around with those big 4 pound Fuji's I might ask a favor of you.
Would you be so kind as to run the new Olympus EM5 through the same wringer you ran this Fuji through.
That's my next move, as long as it does not have a list such as you have determined for this Fuji.
Except for my S5, Fujifilm has left me rather unimpressed for the last couple of years, with their Pre Release Hyping and their pricing.
Sorry if I'm not conforming to the restrictions imposed by the OP, but, Oh Well,,,,
And in closing, let me say I have always found your site worthy and your information on target. Therefore, while others may think you a bit harsh on the Fuji X1 Pro, I suspect you are as on target as I have always found you.
Dante.... I blame you...
Having found your site years ago, you ARE THE REASON I have been lugging around an array of Big Texas Rangefinders. I still do, and probably will to the end.
Now that I have seen your thoughts on this new Fuji Pro, while I was not interested before, I will be even less interested.
While I am still also shooting a pretty worn out S5 Pro (280,000+ shutter actuations), I have placed myself in the Olympus 4/3 for some time for digital. Fuji has mightily distressed me by not pursuing an S6 pro or beyond.
So, as a consideration for all the miles I've trucked around with those big 4 pound Fuji's I might ask a favor of you.
Would you be so kind as to run the new Olympus EM5 through the same wringer you ran this Fuji through.
That's my next move, as long as it does not have a list such as you have determined for this Fuji.
Except for my S5, Fujifilm has left me rather unimpressed for the last couple of years, with their Pre Release Hyping and their pricing.
Sorry if I'm not conforming to the restrictions imposed by the OP, but, Oh Well,,,,
And in closing, let me say I have always found your site worthy and your information on target. Therefore, while others may think you a bit harsh on the Fuji X1 Pro, I suspect you are as on target as I have always found you.
Dante_Stella
Rex canum cattorumque
Hey Kuzano -
Blaming me, eh? 🙂
I don't have access to an EM5 right now, but I'm sure that given my past experiences with Micro 4/3 cameras/programming, it could get just as harsh a list (a lot of mirrorless cameras seem to have the same types of issues). I think that in the past couple of years, manufacturers have subverted reviewers and have deliberately planted "reviews" (definitely true of Fuji). I have also watched a culture of complacency and apologism enable Leica's technological stagnation. So it's gloves off from here on out. I think it's better to see a list and judge for yourself than to have people gloss over real-life glitches.
I would probably also point out that I have a basic distaste for formats that are not basically 2:3, so I am probably not the right person to ask!
Best,
Dante
Blaming me, eh? 🙂
I don't have access to an EM5 right now, but I'm sure that given my past experiences with Micro 4/3 cameras/programming, it could get just as harsh a list (a lot of mirrorless cameras seem to have the same types of issues). I think that in the past couple of years, manufacturers have subverted reviewers and have deliberately planted "reviews" (definitely true of Fuji). I have also watched a culture of complacency and apologism enable Leica's technological stagnation. So it's gloves off from here on out. I think it's better to see a list and judge for yourself than to have people gloss over real-life glitches.
I would probably also point out that I have a basic distaste for formats that are not basically 2:3, so I am probably not the right person to ask!
Best,
Dante
ColSebastianMoran
( IRL Richard Karash )
Dante, thanks for the excellent, really excellent, X-Pro 1 review you published at
http://www.dantestella.com/technical/xpro1.html
http://www.dantestella.com/technical/xpro1.html
Oh Dante, please let us know some dirt. I honestly didn't know they planted reviews out there. I'd love to read one.
True... or just try the camera for yourself... sometimes what bothers some people might not bother another.
lam
Well-known
Jamie Pillers
Skeptic
Frameline accuracy
Frameline accuracy
I like to use adapted manual focus lenses on the XP1. The camera has a menu feature that allows you to adjust the OVF framelines to match whatever lens is mounted. For awhile now I've noticed that the framelines always seem substantially smaller than the area captured in the final image. Today I had a 28mm lens mounted, so I tried resetting the framelines to "21mm" and SHAZAM!! ... the framelines are accurate! I wonder if this is a software glitch?
Frameline accuracy
I like to use adapted manual focus lenses on the XP1. The camera has a menu feature that allows you to adjust the OVF framelines to match whatever lens is mounted. For awhile now I've noticed that the framelines always seem substantially smaller than the area captured in the final image. Today I had a 28mm lens mounted, so I tried resetting the framelines to "21mm" and SHAZAM!! ... the framelines are accurate! I wonder if this is a software glitch?
GaryLH
Veteran
I think they are try to be conservative to make sure that everything is in the shot.. Given possible parallex errors. 21 being the frame line to use is a bit more conservative than I expected though.
Gary
Gary
gdi
Veteran
I can live with most of the "bugs" listed.
But it looks like no one mentioned the one that bothers me most, the unfixable problem of no diopter adjustment for the OVF. This gaurantees that either the OVF or the EVF will be out of focus, even with a corrective eyepiece.
But it looks like no one mentioned the one that bothers me most, the unfixable problem of no diopter adjustment for the OVF. This gaurantees that either the OVF or the EVF will be out of focus, even with a corrective eyepiece.
Arjay
Time Traveller
In practice (I have used the XPro1 for 3 months), the problem is much less serious as initially feared.
Since the hybrid finder in OVF mode is both a Galilean system (that requires the eye to focus on varying distances) and a "head-up-display" type of system which presents the data overlay at a constant focusing distance, the issue cannot ever be resolved perfectly.
The HUD portion of the VF's data are displayed at a virtual distance of 5 to 7 feet, whereas the Galilean part of the VF contents are at the usual distances. You will most probably select diopter strength to display the HUD portion well - this will also allow you to see the contents of the VF in EVF mode in perfect focus.
It is at this focusing distance that you will want to read numbers, to see brightframe borders and to perceive compositional grid lines and the electronic level.
I am wearing progressive glasses with astigmatism correction, and I am thus forced to wear my glasses during shooting - but given a correct diopter lens optimized for HUD viewing, I have no problem whatsoever using the camera's hybrid viewfinder.
As long as my eyes are generally able to still accommodate to varying focal distances, all is well. The only condition under which a hybrid viewfinder could be a problem would be people who have undergone cataract surgery, and who had hard lenses implanted in their eyes - they might have a problem with the camera's VF system.
ballfresno
Established
Thanks for this. I fall into this category and have just recently started seriously considering getting an X-Pro1. I need to check this out. How annoying if this turns out to be a deal breaker for me...