danielsterno
making soup from mud
Hi:
I am a x100 user, my only digital. It works for me though having compared it on paper to the x100T I THINK?? it would be a worth while upgrade on increased MP's of 16 vs 12, better and more accurate AF, most definitely better manual focusing (though I hear its still not where it should be) and the hybrid OVF is an improvement. Your overall thoughts? My one concern is that I do like the sensor in the original and Ive heard mixed opinions on the newer sensor in the x100T….B&H is selling the x100T for $1099. WOnder why? I do hear rumors of x200 in summer of 2016…. As always, thanx in advance. Daniel.
I am a x100 user, my only digital. It works for me though having compared it on paper to the x100T I THINK?? it would be a worth while upgrade on increased MP's of 16 vs 12, better and more accurate AF, most definitely better manual focusing (though I hear its still not where it should be) and the hybrid OVF is an improvement. Your overall thoughts? My one concern is that I do like the sensor in the original and Ive heard mixed opinions on the newer sensor in the x100T….B&H is selling the x100T for $1099. WOnder why? I do hear rumors of x200 in summer of 2016…. As always, thanx in advance. Daniel.
GaryLH
Veteran
I think part of the issue is related to how well u can work an xtran sensor raw file. The original is good old Bayer sensor tech that everyone knows how to manipulate. If u have a chance, I would borrow an xtran sensor camera from a friend or rent one from lensrental.com and take some shots for yourself. It gets down to type of shots u take and how picky u are as w/ anything else.
Gary
Gary
rogazilla
Level 2 Newb
I have had the X100 since launch and recently replaced it with X100t. I will try to simplify for experience here and try not to write a book but let me know if there is specific question that you have.
1. 16mp and 12mp didnt really make much difference for me. However the fall foilage color running together is real and printed out makes X100 actually looks like it has higher resolution. There are other software you can use that's much better than LR but I am cheap and I am just waiting for LR to really fix their engine. However, for the most part, it didnt really play a role.
2. Like many I do like the color and BW on the X100 but probably because I am used to it. X100t is just different, not bad. select the correct profile in LR, you can see the watercolor effect gets better and there are room to improve. I think if you use Capture One or Iridien developer, it is pretty much not a problem. I do like the Classic Chrome color profile and specifically took some shots with that look.
3. Execution, AF is much faster and more accurate. After firmware 2.0 on the x100, I liked the camera much better but after using the x100t, there is no comparison. T just respond much better than the x100.
4. The OVF/EVF switch is faster too. I never used the EVF much and can't really comment on if it is better or worse. However, OVF is a little darker I feel on the X100t but the frameline move real time as you turn the focus ring is a much better touch. The focus ring is light year ahead but still very difficult to use. The little focusing screen is nice but hard to use to be honest. I have hard time seeing the split focusing aid and my brain has a hard time focus and re-compose when the focusing screen is showing image not where the image suppose to be. I am spoiled by mechanical real rangefinders. I thought the little screen will finally be the answer of digital rangefinder... not quite. But overall the OVF is an improvement.
5. Lens is exactly the same, same flare and slightly softer at F2 that you should already be familiar with. The Aperture ring is now 1/3 stop which I am not a huge fan of. I thought the 1/2 stop would have been sufficient.
6. Higher ISO is cleaner than the X100.
At the end of the day, I got a decent price selling my X100 and decided to upgrade. Maybe this is just me being nostalgic but from the box my x100 came with to the actual feel of the camera, the X100 has that little bit more connection with me. I guess working through the quirks and I really spent time with it. X100t is definitely an improvement but owning it, I didnt get the same excitement when I first lay my eye and put my hands on the x100.
After writing all the above, I do miss the X100 but I don't regret the decision and x100t follows me and get its use and miss less shots due to AF
gavinlg
Veteran
The X-trans sensor in terms of color output is sublime. Better than most anything. It's not minutely detailed like a bayer sensor is but has a certain smoothness to it which, to me, looks like a low grain film along with the pastel-like colors.
AF is quite a bit faster, overall operation is smoother, button placement and haptics are much improved. Overall it's just a slicker interpretation of the same thing.
To me, the x-trans sensor is one of the big reasons I use these cameras. The 'look' it gives me is irreplaceable.
AF is quite a bit faster, overall operation is smoother, button placement and haptics are much improved. Overall it's just a slicker interpretation of the same thing.
To me, the x-trans sensor is one of the big reasons I use these cameras. The 'look' it gives me is irreplaceable.
Buy a used X100t and compare the two... sell the one you like less.
Lss
Well-known
This is easier in some markets than others. In my local market, it's basically a great way to lose a significant amount.
willie_901
Veteran
The value of an upgrade to the X100T is the vastly increased CPU performance. This enables more efficient and effective AF/MF operation. The on-sensor, phase-detection focus regions mean AF/MF is much faster and much more flexible. The CPU also provides other useful features such as WiFi, etc. Even the focus-by-wire lens collar is more pleasant to use.
I really enjoy using the X100T.
The XTrans II sensor provides a significant signal-to-noise ratio and dynamic range advantage over the X100. I believe properly exposed color work is practical up to the maximum native ISO of 1600. I rarely exceeded ISO 640 for color on the X100. Quality B&W is practical when at least one stop less light is present.
The XTrans II data stream signal-to-noise ratio is pseudo ISO invariant. This means raw users can leave ISO at 200, select the appropriate shutter time and aperture, and only think about overexposing the sensor and focusing. I am comfortable with a 3 stop luminance push (equivalent to ISO 1600 in camera) during post-processing raw rendering. Of course in low light chimping becomes impractical.
The X100T lens does not exhibit the odd localized flare/halo effect the X100 lens displayed around strong point-source lights in night scenes. It is probably has a bit more contrast wide open, but this is a subjective conclusion.
16 MP is nice, but for me it is not as important as the other improvements and features the X100T provides.
I really enjoy using the X100T.
The XTrans II sensor provides a significant signal-to-noise ratio and dynamic range advantage over the X100. I believe properly exposed color work is practical up to the maximum native ISO of 1600. I rarely exceeded ISO 640 for color on the X100. Quality B&W is practical when at least one stop less light is present.
The XTrans II data stream signal-to-noise ratio is pseudo ISO invariant. This means raw users can leave ISO at 200, select the appropriate shutter time and aperture, and only think about overexposing the sensor and focusing. I am comfortable with a 3 stop luminance push (equivalent to ISO 1600 in camera) during post-processing raw rendering. Of course in low light chimping becomes impractical.
The X100T lens does not exhibit the odd localized flare/halo effect the X100 lens displayed around strong point-source lights in night scenes. It is probably has a bit more contrast wide open, but this is a subjective conclusion.
16 MP is nice, but for me it is not as important as the other improvements and features the X100T provides.
Lss
Well-known
It's just the market, the lack of supply and the lack of demand. These are not items that get sold every day. If you insist on buying, you need to pay up. If you insist on selling, you may need to go low to find a buyer. If you need to buy abroad and sell locally (or pay the higher shipping costs to sell abroad), you lose money.
KM-25
Well-known
I bailed on the X100T because of what they did to the menu in terms of viewing often toggled or any menu items...very different than the X100 and X100S. Do a google search of "X100T Use OVF, but menu show up on LCD" and you will see what I mean. I tried to link directly but it blanked it out with a bunch of asterisks.
Not sure if it is fixed it or can be, might have to do with the new OVF.
Not sure if it is fixed it or can be, might have to do with the new OVF.
danielsterno
making soup from mud
I have had the X100 since launch and recently replaced it with X100t. I will try to simplify for experience here and try not to write a book but let me know if there is specific question that you have.
1. 16mp and 12mp didnt really make much difference for me. However the fall foilage color running together is real and printed out makes X100 actually looks like it has higher resolution. There are other software you can use that's much better than LR but I am cheap and I am just waiting for LR to really fix their engine. However, for the most part, it didnt really play a role.
2. Like many I do like the color and BW on the X100 but probably because I am used to it. X100t is just different, not bad. select the correct profile in LR, you can see the watercolor effect gets better and there are room to improve. I think if you use Capture One or Iridien developer, it is pretty much not a problem. I do like the Classic Chrome color profile and specifically took some shots with that look.
3. Execution, AF is much faster and more accurate. After firmware 2.0 on the x100, I liked the camera much better but after using the x100t, there is no comparison. T just respond much better than the x100.
4. The OVF/EVF switch is faster too. I never used the EVF much and can't really comment on if it is better or worse. However, OVF is a little darker I feel on the X100t but the frameline move real time as you turn the focus ring is a much better touch. The focus ring is light year ahead but still very difficult to use. The little focusing screen is nice but hard to use to be honest. I have hard time seeing the split focusing aid and my brain has a hard time focus and re-compose when the focusing screen is showing image not where the image suppose to be. I am spoiled by mechanical real rangefinders. I thought the little screen will finally be the answer of digital rangefinder... not quite. But overall the OVF is an improvement.
5. Lens is exactly the same, same flare and slightly softer at F2 that you should already be familiar with. The Aperture ring is now 1/3 stop which I am not a huge fan of. I thought the 1/2 stop would have been sufficient.
6. Higher ISO is cleaner than the X100.
At the end of the day, I got a decent price selling my X100 and decided to upgrade. Maybe this is just me being nostalgic but from the box my x100 came with to the actual feel of the camera, the X100 has that little bit more connection with me. I guess working through the quirks and I really spent time with it. X100t is definitely an improvement but owning it, I didnt get the same excitement when I first lay my eye and put my hands on the x100.
After writing all the above, I do miss the X100 but I don't regret the decision and x100t follows me and get its use and miss less shots due to AF
R- I get it. I feel the same "emotional connection" to my x100, there is something special about a imperfect camera and this x100, thats why I guess I am over thinking this… I also have to consider what the value is to me for a $1100 upgrade….
All others; I appreciate the insight.
bhop73
Well-known
I had the X100 when it was first released. Then I upgraded to the X100T when it was first released. I have zero regrets whatsoever. Nearly everything is improved.
The only things I miss a little is I did like the colors a little better on the original's sensor, but the T isn't bad, so it's a minor trade-off for me. Then there's the menu issue that KM-25 mentioned where if you push the menu button, it only shows in the view that you have selected. So often, i'm in 'viewfinder only' and want to change a setting, it only shows in the viewfinder and not on the back LCD. I don't think this is a reason to not upgrade, it's something you'd get used to, but it can be annoying.
Rogazilla pretty much covered all the main points, but i'll also add that I use the Wi-Fi feature often to share stuff with friends or instagram with my phone. The 1/3 stop aperture is something I do love, unlike rogazilla. I think the buttons and dials feel better now too. AF alone was the biggest upgrade for me. It is so much better, I could never go back to the original and be happy with it..
The only things I miss a little is I did like the colors a little better on the original's sensor, but the T isn't bad, so it's a minor trade-off for me. Then there's the menu issue that KM-25 mentioned where if you push the menu button, it only shows in the view that you have selected. So often, i'm in 'viewfinder only' and want to change a setting, it only shows in the viewfinder and not on the back LCD. I don't think this is a reason to not upgrade, it's something you'd get used to, but it can be annoying.
Rogazilla pretty much covered all the main points, but i'll also add that I use the Wi-Fi feature often to share stuff with friends or instagram with my phone. The 1/3 stop aperture is something I do love, unlike rogazilla. I think the buttons and dials feel better now too. AF alone was the biggest upgrade for me. It is so much better, I could never go back to the original and be happy with it..
danielsterno
making soup from mud
Thank you for your insight: Your mention of the buttons is no small matter, on the x100 (first gen) the center enter button has to be pushed just right and can be annoying. Manual focusing would be a plus being it is non existent on mine….. Still trying to justify the $1000, as we get into spring here in NY…. Thanks again D.
maggieo
More Deadly
You know, the firmware update for the X100 really brought it up to snuff.
And if you prefer black & white, I think the X100 is hard to beat.
And if you prefer black & white, I think the X100 is hard to beat.
danielsterno
making soup from mud
I assume you mean FW 2.10, yeap got that, TBH thats why I am asking for opinions of other users who went from x100 to x100T, for the $$ it is not a slam dunk obvious choice…. thanks- I may be over thinking it BUT $1000. for essentially an upgrade of a few features may not be worth it for me,. Thanks
maggieo
More Deadly
It's not worth it to me, FWIW.