XA pairing?

TC1 is very nice, sharp and strong, but it's not a camera for being relaxed if it gets lost or stolen, as my XA is... Great camera no doubt, but not for me, and I don't like its looks either... Again I'd prefer total control with a normal black RF body...

I know... I won't find the same but black and cheap...

Well... If I don't find an old Nikon (or other brand) point and shoot with high manual ISO settings and aperture priority AE, looks like I'll be needing an R3A to "make" a flat point and shoot with my CV 28 3.5... In other words, the same I'm doing now with my T's and my R4M, but with AE... Not sure if it's worth it...

And if I try to find something just for DX 3200 with manual aperture? Impossible?

Cheers,

Juan
 
I like the Leica CM. It can detect DX coding between 25 and 5000 asa, also has aperture priority and manual focussing. I prefer the CM's 40mm lens to the 28mm on my GR1s. Bit chunky maybe.
 
Alright, somebody has to be the devil's advocate in this thread: Why not an SLR? Okay, ISO 6400 capable models aren't that common but ISO 3200 at f/16 takes you well into safe hand-held speeds with a WA lens.

I have a Ricoh XR-7 that's packed with features which make it a nice complement to an RF (DOF preview, multi exposure, 16 seconds to 1/1000 speed range) and it cost about $10 because it's branded as Sears. P-K lenses are good and cheap.

Does what you need, hardly bigger than a Bessa, and if any thief is stupid enough to grab this one, you'll be more upset about the roll of film being lost than the camera.

Write-up here http://www.mattdentonphoto.com/cameras/sears_ks2.html and of course this is just one example.
 
batterytypehah! said:
Alright, somebody has to be the devil's advocate in this thread: Why not an SLR? Okay, ISO 6400 capable models aren't that common but ISO 3200 at f/16 takes you well into safe hand-held speeds with a WA lens.

I have a Ricoh XR-7 that's packed with features which make it a nice complement to an RF (DOF preview, multi exposure, 16 seconds to 1/1000 speed range) and it cost about $10 because it's branded as Sears. P-K lenses are good and cheap.

Does what you need, hardly bigger than a Bessa, and if any thief is stupid enough to grab this one, you'll be more upset about the roll of film being lost than the camera.

Write-up here http://www.mattdentonphoto.com/cameras/sears_ks2.html and of course this is just one example.
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Hi,

I have SLR's... Mechanical and electronic, and I use them a lot. But the low light places I want another machine to use fast film with, include churches and other silent places where an SLR would throw a light spot on me.

But yes, SLR's are very good tools when sound and size are secondary.

Cheers,

Juan
 
jsrockit said:
You are not going to find another cheap camera that does what you want. You either have to get a boutique P&S or go for a larger rangefinder.
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I'm afraid your right!

Looks like my decision goes to:

Can I use manual with my RF's, or do I really need a new similar but AE RF?

By now the honest answer is I don't need AE... If I needed it, at least one of my RF's would be AE already...

Cheers,

Juan
 
Juan Valdenebro said:
I have SLR's... Mechanical and electronic, and I use them a lot. But the low light places I want another machine to use fast film with, include churches and other silent places where an SLR would throw a light spot on me.
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That's not what your first post said. You were talking about the need for shooting in the shade on sunny days. It would help to clarify all of your requirements.
 
batterytypehah! said:
That's not what your first post said. You were talking about the need for shooting in the shade on sunny days. It would help to clarify all of your requirements.
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"XA pairing" with higher ISO's... Well, I may have not said the word church, but I've talked all the time about a very small camera "like my XA", and those are quiet, small and RF's: that's all they are... I'm sorry, I always relate shadows on sunny days with overcast or low light just because the development I use for all of them is the same, so in my rolls that are not shot under direct sun, I mix shadows from sunny days, overcast scenes and low light interiors...

Thanks for your ideas and please excuse me...

Cheers,

Juan
 
charjohncarter said:
The Olympus Stylus Infinity Dx(s) to 3200. It has a great fill flash feature to. It is one of my favorite travel cameras. But no set aperature.
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Hi...

That's been the most common problem I've found in lots of great options... Small AE cameras tend to shoot as wide open as they can, trying to use the fastest possible shutter speed for sharpness... I haven't found a way to make them think differently...

Thanks!
 
I'm like you I don't want to disturb people in places of worship. But unlike you I use slow film. I set my 'infinity' on self-timer (be sure the flash is off) and use a $10 small tripod, it only goes up about a foot. It also fits in my pocket. Here is one where I put it on a ledge in a mosque in Turkey:

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Leica CM and Minilux (no zoom version) are interesting... But those lenses coming in and out sooner or later give problems...

I'm afraid for size, quietness, unobtrusiveness, depth of field, toughness, and real total control, nothing will beat what I'm using for 6400: R4M+CV28f3.5 set at 3200 and shot at -1, and boutique point-and-shoots are interesting, but no doubt inferior in one or more ways... It's a real shame XA's can't be used with faster film... If only there was a way to make them receive less light...

Wouldn't it be possible to stick an ND? Has someone tried to? Maybe a thin one or maybe just when opened?

That would be it!

Nah... What a fool! It's AE...

Cheers,

Juan
 
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jsrockit said:
It seems that the Minox GT-S and GT-X fit your bill. They don;t have rangefinders, but the way you are using them ... you don't really need the RF:

http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=002dPx
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Hi,

Yes, I had seen them... Both of them go to DX 3200... But again in the $400-$500 range... I'd prefer buying an R3A...

I just don't know why I don't accept this... Looks like there are no options for a cheaper, manual aperture small AE camera for fast film... I would have said there'd be lots of Nikons from the 80's...

Well, I'd better forget it, and just think of real RF's...

Thanks!
 
It's not that surprising. High ISO capability was never a selling point for a camera such as the XA. So that's the marketing side. Technically, I doubt they could have put a 1/1000 or 1/2000 speed into those tiny bodies with late 70s/early 80s technology, anyway. Not at affordable cost, for sure.

Later, the market shifted to autofocus and zooms and motorized advance (all of which you should avoid if you want a quiet camera) and, as has been said, with AF they all prioritize fast shutter speed over DOF.

I think your affordable choices will all be compromises. My choice would be to get an XA4 or later Minox, so you can shoot at 1600 but keep the advantage of small and light.

Do any SLRs have AE with the mirror locked up? That would be another option then, probably still quieter than a Bessa and scale focussing a 35 or wider at f/8 or 11 is easy.
 
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