Andrea Taurisano
il cimento
As I wrote above and Lukita took up, "nailing it", luck and/or good timing has been decisive for many, if not most, of the "masters". After which, from Wikipedia:
"Elitism is the belief or attitude that some individuals who form an elite—a select group of people with a certain ancestry, intrinsic quality or worth, high intellect, wealth, specialized training or experience, or other distinctive attributes—are those whose influence or authority is greater than that of others; whose views on a matter are to be taken more seriously or carry more weight; whose views or actions are more likely to be constructive to society as a whole; or whose extraordinary skills, abilities, or wisdom render them especially fit to govern".[1]
"Elitism is the belief or attitude that some individuals who form an elite—a select group of people with a certain ancestry, intrinsic quality or worth, high intellect, wealth, specialized training or experience, or other distinctive attributes—are those whose influence or authority is greater than that of others; whose views on a matter are to be taken more seriously or carry more weight; whose views or actions are more likely to be constructive to society as a whole; or whose extraordinary skills, abilities, or wisdom render them especially fit to govern".[1]
RichC
Well-known
willie_901
Veteran
Of course. Unlimited financial resources may be rare, but they do create completely unique circumstances.
Dave Jenkins
Loose Canon
Plus 1, JP. Your situation is very similar to mine. Although I have had successful books published and am considered to be an artist by many people, I don't consider myself one.
Ranchu
Veteran
Oh hell, I'll just cut out the middleman and call the potential consumer, send them the picture with the magic of wi fi, and ask if they like it and what I can do to make it better, or if I should try a different subject altogether, do you think? I can 'incorporate their ideas', and have a 'mutually beneficial' 'business relationship'. I can 'think of us as a creative team'.
Eventually I'll have so many customers I'll be the BEST photographer ever, bar none!
So awesome.
Or really, what I should do is compile a database of both people who have bought photography, and a database of very polite photographers who want some money. Then I'll connect them up for the above machinations, take a percentage and I'll be like a pig in slop, but with money instead of slop! I'll be an authoritative authority on photography because of my vast knowledge and humorous bonhomie, respected far and wide for my views on the 'art of photography'!
Ha Ha !
Eventually I'll have so many customers I'll be the BEST photographer ever, bar none!
So awesome.
Or really, what I should do is compile a database of both people who have bought photography, and a database of very polite photographers who want some money. Then I'll connect them up for the above machinations, take a percentage and I'll be like a pig in slop, but with money instead of slop! I'll be an authoritative authority on photography because of my vast knowledge and humorous bonhomie, respected far and wide for my views on the 'art of photography'!
Ha Ha !
Andrea Taurisano
il cimento
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Or really, what I should do is compile a database of both people who have bought photography, and a database of very polite photographers who want some money. Then I'll connect them up for the above machinations, take a percentage and I'll be like a pig in slop, but with money instead of slop! I'll be an authoritative authority on photography because of my vast knowledge and humorous bonhomie, respected far and wide for my views on the 'art of photography'!
Ha Ha !
You mean be a gallerist instead. Which enables talking and pretending to know all about photography having never held a camera oneself.
ksb
Member
Talent is overrated
Talent is overrated
Bingo. I have found that talent is only the beginning. And it's not even really necessary most of the time. It is the thousands of hours put in doing something for the obsessive love of it that makes one good. I wish I had been taught that as a kid instead of being given the idea that you either have it or you don't. For some reason people don't seem to value that idea that plain old hard work can get you there.
Talent is overrated
Bingo. I have found that talent is only the beginning. And it's not even really necessary most of the time. It is the thousands of hours put in doing something for the obsessive love of it that makes one good. I wish I had been taught that as a kid instead of being given the idea that you either have it or you don't. For some reason people don't seem to value that idea that plain old hard work can get you there.
FrankS
Registered User
effort + talent + marketing = success
bmattock
Veteran
I really like this.
Rayt
Nonplayer Character
Photography gets no respect. I don't see people asking how they get to Carnegie Hall (practice practice I know) now that they just took up the violin. Nor do I ever hear people asking what is the difference between an Olympic athlete and a weekend warrior. But when comes to photography people think anybody can do it. Maybe it is just natural talent. My aunt Betty told me I had a good eye. HDR makes any photo look so much better. Are we so used to the instant gratification we now get with digital that the idea of learning one's craft like practicing scales on your first guitar lesson is no longer required?
bmattock
Veteran
Talent is great, if one happens to have it. It is not necessary, despite indignant sputterings to the contrary. In fact, natural talent can work against one and often does. It can lead to complacency.
The only thing that I have found which helps is perseverance.
Good luck is also highly underrated, but one cannot control that. Perseverance can put one in a position that luck can assist if it happens to wander by.
Fortunately for me, I do not pursue success, whatever that may be. I do what I enjoy, and that is sufficient.
The only thing that I have found which helps is perseverance.
Good luck is also highly underrated, but one cannot control that. Perseverance can put one in a position that luck can assist if it happens to wander by.
Fortunately for me, I do not pursue success, whatever that may be. I do what I enjoy, and that is sufficient.
Paul T.
Veteran
I liked the movie, and I thought his point wasn't far off. But the main point wasn't about the something unique - it was about doing the work and not giving up.
You do need luck, too. Opportunities come through chance connections - my career started when someone famous liked the sleeve of my record, that was sent to the studio engineer the morning he was in. But the point is... luck doesn't become real until you sweat, following it up. I don't think you need necessarily take pleasure in the cycles of failure... but you have to take pleasure in sculpting something out of the chaos, with a chisel or with your mind.
You do need luck, too. Opportunities come through chance connections - my career started when someone famous liked the sleeve of my record, that was sent to the studio engineer the morning he was in. But the point is... luck doesn't become real until you sweat, following it up. I don't think you need necessarily take pleasure in the cycles of failure... but you have to take pleasure in sculpting something out of the chaos, with a chisel or with your mind.
Bill Clark
Veteran
With my business, I didn't think I had any talent. Always wanted to do better. Still do. Someday I'll get there but not yet. Different view now because I'm retired.
I was happy I found someone who helped me with my journey.
Clients thought I had talent and so did my banker. It was my day and night job. It was my only job.
I was happy I found someone who helped me with my journey.
Clients thought I had talent and so did my banker. It was my day and night job. It was my only job.
Out to Lunch
Ventor
What happened in 1987?
bmattock
Veteran
I started immanentizing the eschaton, of course.
Hsg
who dares wins
Talent, success, admired by others, all of these goals that photographers strive for, has nothing to do with photography, its a product of low self-esteem that wants to be elevated and made 'great'... Photography or something else, such people will do anything to escape their inferiority complex.
All great photographers are first and foremost great human beings.
So, if you want to make it as a great photographer, forget everything else and become a good human being, what happens after that is not in your hand.
All great photographers are first and foremost great human beings.
So, if you want to make it as a great photographer, forget everything else and become a good human being, what happens after that is not in your hand.
Hsg
who dares wins
If you can't help yourself but to use words like bs and religion and nonsense etc. in response to my posts then try to exercise some self-control, otherwise i don't want to think that my posts in their absolutism ruins your day.
