Your thoughts on Nikkor 50/1.8 AI-S Japanese pancake version

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To clarify, this is the version that was produced between 1980-82 for the Japanese market only. It can be identified by the fact that it has MFD of 0.45m (all other 50 pancakes are 0.6m), serial number starts with a 2 (not 3 or 4), and is full metal construction for the barrel. It is not the regular AI-S version (plastic barrel, MFD 0.6m), nor the Series E, nor the so-called long nose 50/1.8.

It arrived and I have run a few rolls of colour and B&W using it. It really is remarkable. Comparison shots against my Zeiss 50/1.4 Planar ZF.2 show that the Planar is a wee bit better in microcontrast and colour rendition, but not by much. Based on scans from my V600, it is hard to distinguish images between the two lenses. I have yet to wet print B&W from the negs, however.

My point being that I am blown away by the quality of the so-called Japanese pancake. The Zeiss by comparison seems like a beast of a lens now and I can not imagine taking it on a trip over the pancake. So enamoured am I that I scoured eBay for another copy but could not find one. So, for the first time, I have used the Buyee/Yahoo site which allows non-Japan based buyers to purchase items from Japan that otherwise are not always listed on eBay. They currently have about a dozen copies of this pancake available and I purchased a minty one for under US$100, less than the first copy I bought.
 
Your thoughts on Nikkor 50/1.8 AI-S Japanese pancake version

Hi all

I recently bought one of these lenses from a Japanese seller on eBay as I desired a compact set up for traveling. Having read the thoughts of Ren Kockwell, who heralds it at Nikons best manual focus 50mm lens of all time, I believed him (for once) and shelled out for a copy.

To clarify, this is the version that was produced between 1980-82 for the Japanese market only. It can be identified by the fact that it has MFD of 0.45m (all other 50 pancakes are 0.6m), serial number starts with a 2 (not 3 or 4), and is full metal construction for the barrel. It is not the regular AI-S version (plastic barrel, MFD 0.6m), nor the Series E, nor the so-called long nose 50/1.8.

It arrived and I have run a few rolls of colour and B&W using it. It really is remarkable. Comparison shots against my Zeiss 50/1.4 Planar ZF.2 show that the Planar is a wee bit better in microcontrast and colour rendition, but not by much. Based on scans from my V600, it is hard to distinguish images between the two lenses. I have yet to wet print B&W from the negs, however.

My point being that I am blown away by the quality of the so-called Japanese pancake. The Zeiss by comparison seems like a beast of a lens now and I can not imagine taking it on a trip over the pancake. So enamoured am I that I scoured eBay for another copy but could not find one. So, for the first time, I have used the Buyee/Yahoo site which allows non-Japan based buyers to purchase items from Japan that otherwise are not always listed on eBay. They currently have about a dozen copies of this pancake available and I purchased a minty one for under US$100, less than the first copy I bought.

Having never used any other Nikon 50mm lens, I am interested in any thoughts or opinions RFF users may have on this lens from first hand experience.

Regards.
 
Your thoughts on Nikkor 50/1.8 AI-S Japanese pancake version

ptpdprinter said:
Not surprising. The V600 only has an actual maximum resolution of 1560, and so will be the weakest link in the chain.
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Well, sure, but even with the V600 I can still see a difference in the way a lens renders, as in the scans between my CV 35/2.5 and Summicron ASPH, same goes for the difference between the Zeiss Planar and FD 50/1.4. The V600 is not so bad that one can not tell between high and lower quality glass, though of course with big limitations.
 
I use this lens a lot. I shot with it today in fact.

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Shac said:
Curious - What's the difference supposed to be due to? Apart from closest focus specs are same and the AiS pancake version (not series E)?
TIA
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I have never been able to really tell any difference between them. The E is less contrasty compared to the others. I think the New version is slighty thinner? Hard to screw up a 50/1.8.
 
The Japan pancake also has a shorter focus throw than the 'new' pancake. I personally prefer the larger AIS long-nose version, which has the same focus throw and MFD as the Japan pancake version. My preference is entirely for ergonomic reasons -- the long nose just balances better in my hands. Wrt IQ, I can't really tell any difference in practical use.
 
I don't know if the formula is exactly the same or not, but I did own a 50/1.8 long-nose and found it to be one of the worst, most boring lenses I've ever used on B/W film. It seemed to render stark, flat, 2 dimensional images that lacked pleasing mid-tone gradation. I prefer the 50/1.4 and 50/2 over it any day (though ultimately I prefer an LTM 50 such as the Nikkor SC, Elmar or Summicron over any SLR lens for B/W). As the 50/1.8 is supposed to be a "perfect" lens, it would seem to lack the character which I find so important to good B/W images.

The only SLR lens I've come across that seems to bridge the "B/W gap" has been the Rollei QBM Planar HFT 50/1.8. I've yet to give a Leica-R Summicron a try, but that one is next on my list.
 
I recently got a copy of this lens, and am pretty happy with the initial results. On paper, it's fast enough, compact, and has a pretty good minimum close focus distance of 0.45m. I recently took it on a 3-day backpacking trip, and it's considerably lighter and less bulky compared to my Nikkor-S.C Auto 55mm F1.2. Looking forward to using this lens more. 🙂

Nikon FM2n, AI Nikkor 50mm f/1.8S, Ultrafine Xtreme 400, developed in LegacyPro L110 at 1:31 for 5.5 minutes.


2019.09.25 Roll #221-04058-positive.jpg by dourbalistar, on Flickr
 
dourbalistar said:
I recently got a copy of this lens, and am pretty happy with the initial results. On paper, it's fast enough, compact, and has a pretty good minimum close focus distance of 0.45m. I recently took it on a 3-day backpacking trip, and it's considerably lighter and less bulky compared to my Nikkor-S.C Auto 55mm F1.2. Looking forward to using this lens more. 🙂

Nikon FM2n, AI Nikkor 50mm f/1.8S, Ultrafine Xtreme 400, developed in LegacyPro L110 at 1:31 for 5.5 minutes.


2019.09.25 Roll #221-04058-positive.jpg by dourbalistar, on Flickr
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Very nice result! I'd be happy with that.
 
The Japanese pancake renders differently than the other Nikkors, with the E series being its weaker, but similar sibling, with the most obvious difference being the coating.
 
Huss said:
Very nice result! I'd be happy with that.
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Thanks, Huss!

George Mann said:
The Japanese pancake renders differently than the other Nikkors, with the E series being its weaker, but similar sibling, with the most obvious difference being the coating.
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I haven't used any of its other siblings, so I can't speak to the rendering. I haven't shot any brick walls yet either, but will be looking to see if its lack of distortion is true. Nikon designed it to have only 0.1% distortion of objects positioned at infinity, and just 1% for objects at the minimum focus distance.

https://imaging.nikon.com/history/story/0060/index.htm
 
kxl said:
I personally prefer the larger AIS long-nose version, which has the same focus throw and MFD as the Japan pancake version. My preference is entirely for ergonomic reasons -- the long nose just balances better in my hands.
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The same.

Plus, the Ai-S "long nose" version is made of brass and alloy, not polycarbonate. And it still has the good old "rabbit ears" so that you can use it on pré-Ai Nikon bodies for metering. Also, the front element is more recessed : the lens hood (Nikon or no-name) will be more efficient.

And for the same very low price, on the 2nd hand market, as both the two versions of the Ai-S "pancake".
 
Highway 61 said:
The same.

Plus, the Ai-S "long nose" version is made of brass and alloy, not polycarbonate. And it still has the good old "rabbit ears" so that you can use it on pré-Ai Nikon bodies for metering. Also, the front element is more recessed : the lens hood (Nikon or no-name) will be more efficient.

And for the same very low price, on the 2nd hand market, as both the two versions of the Ai-S "pancake".
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I believe the Japanese pancake version is also all metal construction. The Series E pancake is the one that uses mostly polycarbonate. But I can understand how some might prefer the long-nose for the ergonomics.
 
I have never liked attaching a filter on the long nose lens because it is so far from the
lens element.

With the pancake version the filter is very close. I use the polycarbonate E series version sometimes for that reason.
 
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