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Rich Silfver
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c.poulton said:
Sure it can.
Zeiss Ikon SW - Are they being stupid again?
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Sure it can.
leafy
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Ok, must apologize to everyone for 2 things:
1. It's in Euro, not in GBP, my bad.
2. Sorry for the insult on the intelligence in the title (can I change it?)
1. It's in Euro, not in GBP, my bad.
2. Sorry for the insult on the intelligence in the title (can I change it?)
leafy
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Finder said:
From the various postings regarding the strength of a Zeiss Ikon body, most happy users concluded that the rangefinder base length and the clear, bright viewfinder are what make the Ikon unique among all these cameras. I do doubt that a light-tight box with a Zeiss badge is worth the 799 euros price tag since a used Bessa-T (or new in box) is less than $200 and is only a tad taller than the L and comes with M-mount. If you really need AE with the ultra-wides, R2A/3A are really good enough.
If Zeiss has industrial background regarding the ZF lenses, I don't see it here. What kind of application requires a M-mount film camera without a rangefinder that is only good for ultra-wides? Beats me.
jaap
Jaap
this is really a crazy camera a 35mm camera should be more than a black box.
drop the price of a normal zi rf camera and this product shouldn,t be nessecary.
800 euro CRAZY
drop the price of a normal zi rf camera and this product shouldn,t be nessecary.
800 euro CRAZY
leafy
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They do have a silver one though.jaap said:
Nachkebia
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Maybe we don`t now stuff yet? maybe some more lenses are comming? some extra hyper stuff? 🙂 fish eye? 😀 😀
jaap
Jaap
i hope they won,t sell one af them as a kind of punishment
Finder
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The camera is most likely aimed toward the professional rather than amateurs. This type of superwide camera is very fast to work with because of its simplicity. My medium-format superwide is much faster to use than my medium-format rangefinder even though the rangefinder has AE. While I can understand this speciality camera would be a mystery to amateurs, this could be a very good system addition to a professional.
Sure you could buy a Bessa L, but do you think it is as well made? If price was the only factor in buying gear, Cosina would have put Leica out of business years ago.
Sure you could buy a Bessa L, but do you think it is as well made? If price was the only factor in buying gear, Cosina would have put Leica out of business years ago.
jaap
Jaap
i dont feel taken seriously as a very well trained photographer (4years !) by zeiss
leafy
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Why? Do you still look into the viewfinder of the rangefinder? If not, zone focusing should be just the same.Finder said:
Finder said:
I can anticipate the existence of such cameras. The Hassy SWC was one, the Bessa-L another. But Zeiss introducing a "professional dedicated film camera" right now? C'mon, why not spend more time and effort on bringing out better lenses for us? Or even the Digital ZI.
Finder said:
You have your point here, but I still don't see the justification for a 799 Euro light tight box, no matter how well it is made. There is very little delicate moving parts and no optical elements in this one, unlike the Ikon.
Nachkebia
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Maybe it is kind of stepp into a digital system? maybe they would need this setup for digital and they are getting ready for it? 😀 😀
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Rich Silfver
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Finder said:
Why? Put a viewfinder on your MF and compose and focus in the same way as you would with your SW.
It's a technique that is easy to understand for professionals but may be a mystery to amateurs.
roundg
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maybe we should start to call ZI Cosina ZI.........I won't buy them idea.
rxmd
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Well, it's basically a body to use the ZI superwides on. The Bessa L doesn't have an M mount. The main competition here is the Bessa T, which isn't made anymore - Stephen Gandy sells out his last batch for $185. Over the Bessa T the ZI SW does hold an advantage or two - notably AE, less notably the second accessory shoe for a bubble level which is a good idea IMHO, even though not worth EUR 800. So there is a market for this IMHO since Cosina themselves have been pulling out of the market. As Cosina are cooperating with Zeiss on this, they are probably in agreement.
A price of EUR 799 probably means USD 800, too, at least that what it was like with any other new camera in recent years.
Philipp
A price of EUR 799 probably means USD 800, too, at least that what it was like with any other new camera in recent years.
I guess if Leica came out with something like this today (an MD-7 or whatever) they wouldn't charge less than EUR 1000, either, and people would still buy it because it's the original.
Philipp
Jeroen
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If only they had rebuilt this one with a 15/2.8 instead: http://www.zeisshistorica.org/Images/Hologon Contarex.jpg
Trius
Waiting on Maitani
leafy said:
Better lenses?
And how does bringing out this camera rule out whether they are working on a digital body? Just because they haven't said anything about those developments? I'm pretty sure they're proceeding with that and any announcements/hints will be according to their schedule, not yours.
BTW, I have no opinion on the SW. They may have missed the mark on the price (time will tell), but to compare it to a used Cosina whatever is silly.
Didier
"Deed"
The ZI marketing slang is quite big-mouthed: "The Zeiss Ikon SW offers the same extremely high image quality as the known Zeiss Ikon rangefinder camera: far above today's digital cameras."
How can they pretend that? Todays best DSLR's have a resolution that beats film. Anyway how does the camera make a picture better? I thought glass and emulsion make the bigger difference than metering and shuttering.
And btw - guess who produces the SW... Cosina of course. The SW's inbuilt second accessory shoe is the only thing I miss on the Bessa L.
But what about putting a sensor in such a camera. A digital scale focusing camera? That would be neat (but preferably in the Bessa not Zeiss price categories).
Didier
How can they pretend that? Todays best DSLR's have a resolution that beats film. Anyway how does the camera make a picture better? I thought glass and emulsion make the bigger difference than metering and shuttering.
And btw - guess who produces the SW... Cosina of course. The SW's inbuilt second accessory shoe is the only thing I miss on the Bessa L.
But what about putting a sensor in such a camera. A digital scale focusing camera? That would be neat (but preferably in the Bessa not Zeiss price categories).
Didier
Pherdinand
the snow must go on
It is way too expensive, come on.
KoNickon
Nick Merritt
I'm wondering how AE will work with superwide lenses. Will they be recalibrating the metering pattern?
micromontenegro
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Logic aside, from the pictures I conclude this is a coooool looking camera.
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