zeiss - strike 2 for quality control

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yeah, whatever. Maybe CV isn't that bad, but I just think they could offer better QC without raising prices - the just have to come up with a product that really draws sales. Instead of all the R&D spent creating these limited edition cameras, maybe produce one great one for the next couple years. Work on QC enough that it strikes the market as a keeper, and build a reputation as competition for Leica and Nikon instead of the low-end option.

They can, of course, do this while maintaining their low end stock.
 
I regret to say that in this weeks Amateur Photographer UK there is a 4 page test of the Zeiss Ikon. I does quite well, but the tester noted that the first camera they had on test jammed, and had to be replaced. This does not create a good image!! (sorry pun not intended) :(
 
Bertram2 said:
Well, I don't think anybody is surprised that you will stick with Nikon, must be a kind of religion for you .
Actually the 2 bad of four delivered say absolutely nothing. If that is a statistic value for you to base a judgment on then you missed some lessons at school.
Nikon is fine , I use one too. One has just to avoid tho all the many terrible crap they have produced, like most of their SLR AF primes. Which do not only have a poor optical performance and mechanical quality, but are basically faulty designs, like the 2/35 for example. Nonetheless they are still sold, and that is much worse than any QC probs at the beginning of a production.

When some Leica users had probs recently with front elements coming off nobody
took that as a proof that one cannot trust Leica. Same other probs the M6 and M7 had, light leaks, dust leaks, electronics etc. All that S**T which happened with the Nikon F3 for years, was that a reason to distrust the make in principle ? For CV and Zeiss tho a prob seems to be enuff reason to distrust the make in principle ?

I should not complain about a lack of logic tho, it's not about logic here. People like you simply have to tell us periodically that THEIR choice of brand was and still is and ever will be the best. So what, I think we got enuff tolerance here, even for this kind of statements. If it really helps you.......:rolleyes:

bertram
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See, didn't I tell you this would happen.

The Zeissians are offended!

The fault now is Cosina's. And Nikons are sh*t - always have been, always will!

What a crock!

Spend your money on a ZI and if it don't work - it's your fault!

B....S!!!
 
Maybe there should be a beer thread.

We americans aren't without decent beer. We're even willing to share with the adventurous. The microbrewery boom has saved us from Anheiser Busch, and Miller.

While the following aren't micros, they are good.

http://www.redhook.com/

http://www.samueladams.com/world_of_beer.aspx

http://www.karlstrauss.com/ <---- My local favorite

I must admit my all time favorite was brought home from Germany two years ago as a present from my step son. Can't get it here, and the name escapes me, the flavor however - unforgetable.

Joe- maybe you aren't completely discouraged, but I'm sure you are becoming annoyed. Let us know if you do send Zeiss a message, they deserve to hear your negative impressions. Sorry for mentioning the brews.

Bob H
 
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i might send them a messege.
maybe they will send me a free hood for the 50;)

while i am disappointed, mostly because i'm getting more rigid with age and it threw a wrench in my planned zeiss weekend, i am not too bothered.
i understand when a product is new there might be a glitch or 2.
what makes it easier to take is the 2 dealers that i have dealt with so far.
no hassles whatsoever.
send it back for a replacement, even offering to cover the shipping.
with customer service like this it's really hard to get angry.

and i do have the elmar if i really need a 50;)

joe
 
Maybe everyone should take a deep breath and get back to the more basic questions of what brand of camera bag to buy, what type of camera case to buy, and which uber-expensive lens will look best on the end of their camera.

This mud-slinging on brands is not important. What's important is how much money we have.

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks
 
Fedzilla_Bob said:
Maybe there should be a beer thread.

We americans aren't without decent beer. We're even willing to share with the adventurous. The microbrewery boom has saved us from Anheiser Busch, and Miller.

While the following aren't micros, they are good.

http://www.redhook.com/

http://www.samueladams.com/world_of_beer.aspx

http://www.karlstrauss.com/ <---- My local favorite

I must admit my all time favorite was brought home from Germany two years ago as a present from my step son. Can't get it here, and the name escapes me, the flavor however - unforgetable.

Joe- maybe you aren't completely discoraged, but I'm sure you are becoming annoyed. Let us know if you do send Zeiss a message, they deserve to hear your negative impressions. Sorry for mentioning the brews.

Bob H
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mmm. Yes. Redhook is great beer. I'm drinking a bottle of Sunrye Summer Ale right now. Love their ESB too.
 
bmattock said:
Maybe everyone should take a deep breath and get back to the more basic questions of what brand of camera bag to buy, what type of camera case to buy, and which uber-expensive lens will look best on the end of their camera.

This mud-slinging on brands is not important. What's important is how much money we have.

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks
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that's not fair!
i'm poor.

i only got into all this zeiss stuff cause you guys bought it for me.

well, i did buy the 2 other lenses but i had to sell my soul for them.

and to answer your other questions...mclassic bag and luigi case and a long honking lens so everyone will know that i'm a big guy;)

joe
 
bmattock said:
Alright, I'll give you that one. Personally, I prefer Guinness on tap, but beyond that there are a few American beers that I will drink. And yes, they come twelve twelve-ounce bottles to the carton.

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks
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American beer, British beer, Candian beer... ha... give me a genuine Hefeweizen any day. I just got back from Munich (not far from there anyway) and the friggin' beer is to die for. I could have bathed in the stuff... come to think of it...

visiondr
 
Heck, switched to Zinfandel a while ago. One beer (err... one Ommergang that is) a week! Whew.

The word here was that the ZI was "special". Not "just" a Cosina R-series but a Zeiss QC'd wunder kamera!

When some of us suggested otherwise the Zeissians went for the jugler. This camera was supposed to be "German-quality" etc. As if the Japanese had not yet mastered the skill of camera making and needed German assistance!

Well, truth be told, this thing is not a very good kit! And it carries the Zeiss label - no one elses!

I have bought tons of Nikon gear - both new and used. I have never had any problem with it! THERE IS A REASON WHY THE JAPANESE CAMERA INDUSTRY USED TO INSIST ON THOSE GOLD OVALS!!

The European camera industy is all but dead! They've tried to resurrect some classic names through "strategic alliances" with Japanese makers (while simultaneously denying the Japanese role). Yet when things go awry - it is "those peoples" fault.

Sounds familar. Sounds like the old Germany! :p
 
time to take a step back...relax, take a deep breath...

there has been no name calling and while these slugs continue to invade my thread with talk of beer ;) no harm has has been done to anyone.

joe
 
back alley said:
time to take a step back...relax, take a deep breath...

there has been no name calling and while these slugs continue to invade my thread with talk of beer ;) no harm has has been done to anyone.

joe
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Oops, sorry about the beer talk... must be the beer talking.
 
For all we know Joe's bad lens was fine when it left Zeiss QC, and some part vibrated loose during one of the legs of its journey shipping to Joe. Or maybe both QC techs did miss something wrong. These things happen, and it does not mean the ZM/ZI product line as a whole is not reliable, or that Zeiss is overcharging customers. This is why companies have warranties. Life is not perfect, but Joe will get a working lens in the end. We don't have reliability or return statistics from Zeiss, Leica, Cosina, Canon or Nikon, so no one here can say objectively what the relative effectiveness of their QC programs are.

Brooklyn Lager from NYC and Geary's Pale Ale from Maine are both nice to my palate, as is Sam Adams' Summer Ale.
 
back alley said:
i love those eggos, in the morning, with a little syrop...maybe some sausage
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OK, Joe. Sorry your kit broke, really. Don't think it means Zeiss stinks, or CV, or Leica, or even Nikon. Sample is too small. But tiny minds are too willing to pounce to attack or defend their so-called turf. Sad.

Pardon my getting shirty, I've been not doing a good job lately of holding back my gag reflex over the 'what color bag is most important in my darkroom with my latest 'cron and by the way I have three of them which I keep in each of my three houses' threads.

G'night.

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks
 
bmattock said:
OK, Joe. Sorry your kit broke, really. Don't think it means Zeiss stinks, or CV, or Leica, or even Nikon. Sample is too small. But tiny minds are too willing to pounce to attack or defend their so-called turf. Sad.

Pardon my getting shirty, I've been not doing a good job lately of holding back my gag reflex over the 'what color bag is most important in my darkroom with my latest 'cron and by the way I have three of them which I keep in each of my three houses' threads.

G'night.

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks
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no sorry's needed...i thought we were talking about breakfast. :)

and if i ever sound like i'm posting just to say 'hey look at me and all the gear i have', i hope you would be among the first to kick me off that horse!

joe
 
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