raid
Dad Photographer
I have both lenses, and both are great lenses.
Today and for the first time, I looked through the M3 and the M6 with one type of Cron each. I suspect that the goggled version shows more glare in the VF due to the goggles.
Am I right or is it the M3 VF itself?
I switched the lenses around, and the goggled Cron shows more galre in the VF.
Who has had such an experience?
Today and for the first time, I looked through the M3 and the M6 with one type of Cron each. I suspect that the goggled version shows more glare in the VF due to the goggles.
Am I right or is it the M3 VF itself?
I switched the lenses around, and the goggled Cron shows more galre in the VF.
Who has had such an experience?
raid
Dad Photographer
Who owns a goggled Summicron? Do you experience any glare from the goggles when pointing the camera at a strong light source?
Let's start with this point.
Let's start with this point.
MISH
Well-known
it has never been a noticeable problem for me.... love the goggles
Erik van Straten
Veteran
When looking through the goggles, one looks through a thick layer of uncoated glass. Ofcourse the viewfinder-image suffers from that.
The goggles were invented only to use a 35mm lens on an M3 with a mounted Leicameter so that there was no possibillity to mount a 35mm finder on top of the camera.
The goggles are a PITA, but as goggled lenses are cheaper than non-goggled ones, they provide a lower cost option for obtaining an otherwise very expensive lens.
Erik.
The goggles were invented only to use a 35mm lens on an M3 with a mounted Leicameter so that there was no possibillity to mount a 35mm finder on top of the camera.
The goggles are a PITA, but as goggled lenses are cheaper than non-goggled ones, they provide a lower cost option for obtaining an otherwise very expensive lens.
Erik.
Kiyoshi
Convicted Film Addict.
Hope I'm not taking this thread too far off-topic...
I'm glad the OP started this thread. I'm a Leica newbie and one of the foremost questions on my mind is if the Goggled 35/2 Summicron is optically the same as the "regular" pre-asph 35/2 Summicron? I was considering purchase of one for my M3.
I know there are different "versions" of the 35 Cron, however, which version is the goggled Summicron optically and mechanically similar/identical to?
Erik van Straten
Veteran
There are goggled versions of the 35mm f/3.5 Summaron, the 35mm f/2.8 Summaron, the 8-elements 35mm f/2 Summicron and of the first (chrome) and second (black anodized) versions of the 35mm f/1.4 Summilux lenses.
Erik.
raid
Dad Photographer
Hope I'm not taking this thread too far off-topic...
I'm glad the OP started this thread. I'm a Leica newbie and one of the foremost questions on my mind is if the Goggled 35/2 Summicron is optically the same as the "regular" pre-asph 35/2 Summicron? I was considering purchase of one for my M3.
I know there are different "versions" of the 35 Cron, however, which version is the goggled Summicron optically and mechanically similar/identical to?
They are optically identical as it pertains to the images resulting from these two lenses. My question is about what you see when looking through the VF.
I went back and I cleaned very carefully the goggled part. It is getting better but not totally, when compared with the ungoggled lens.
raid
Dad Photographer
The goggled Summicron is the 8 element lens type.The "M2 Version" is also the 8 element type. The newer Summicron types were all 7 element types.
Right?
Some users swear by the 8 element type for smoother bokeh.
raid
Dad Photographer
I agree with your view, Erik. This came to my mind first, and I was curious if anyone else agrees. Don't laugh, but I was thinking whether someone has made a retangular lens shade for the goggles themselves. You would clip them on, and that would reduce the glare.
David Murphy
Veteran
I'm almost afraid to ask, but what does one pay for a decent Googled Summicron 35/2? I "need" one for my M3.
raid
Dad Photographer
David,
Condition is important here.
Maybe $700-$1400?
Dan mentions also a price difference between Canada and Germany versions, but he may mean the ungoggled versions.
Condition is important here.
Maybe $700-$1400?
Dan mentions also a price difference between Canada and Germany versions, but he may mean the ungoggled versions.
raid
Dad Photographer
David,
The goggled version looks great on the M3.
The goggled version looks great on the M3.
Erik van Straten
Veteran
No, the second and third versions were 6-element types. The fourth version, the bokeh-king, had 7 elements.
Erik.
Erik van Straten
Veteran
Not a bad idea, maybe, but then something would be added to the already massive bulk.
Erik.
raid
Dad Photographer
So a comparsion between the bokeh of the 8 element and the 7 element Summcrons shows that the 7 element lens has better bokeh? This is not obvious to me.
raid
Dad Photographer
I was also thinking along this line, but what else can be done other than ignoring the slight glare here and there?
ferider
Veteran
Just ignore the glare, Raid. If I remember right, they barrel quite noticably, too. There is one nice thing about the googles: the lens lets you get very close (.6m?).
Roland.
Roland.
raid
Dad Photographer
This is an excellent point. Roland. I like the goggled lens a lot. Why sell such a beauty?
raid
Dad Photographer
Minimum distance is 0.65m. I just took 5 shots with the lens. The M3 has nearly no sound. Why am I wasting my time on other equipment?
Erik van Straten
Veteran
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The bokeh of the 8 element-lens is better than the bokeh of the 7 element lens. The 7 element-lens is however allways called "the bokeh-king", I don't know why.
The 8-element lens is in fact not a real 35mm lens, it's focal length is longer, about 40mm. The 7-element lens is however a true 35mm lens.
Erik.