35mm Summicron: goggled versus M2 Version

[raid]

I have both lenses, and both are great lenses.
Today and for the first time, I looked through the M3 and the M6 with one type of Cron each. I suspect that the goggled version shows more glare in the VF due to the goggles.

Am I right or is it the M3 VF itself?

I switched the lenses around, and the goggled Cron shows more galre in the VF.

Who has had such an experience?

 

[raid]

Who owns a goggled Summicron? Do you experience any glare from the goggles when pointing the camera at a strong light source?

Let's start with this point.

 

[MISH]

it has never been a noticeable problem for me.... love the goggles

 

[Erik van Straten]

When looking through the goggles, one looks through a thick layer of uncoated glass. Ofcourse the viewfinder-image suffers from that.
The goggles were invented only to use a 35mm lens on an M3 with a mounted Leicameter so that there was no possibillity to mount a 35mm finder on top of the camera.
The goggles are a PITA, but as goggled lenses are cheaper than non-goggled ones, they provide a lower cost option for obtaining an otherwise very expensive lens.

Erik.

 

[Kiyoshi]

The goggles are a PITA, but as goggled lenses are cheaper than non-goggled ones, they provide a lower cost option for obtaining an otherwise very expensive lens.
Erik.

Hope I'm not taking this thread too far off-topic...😱

I'm glad the OP started this thread. I'm a Leica newbie and one of the foremost questions on my mind is if the Goggled 35/2 Summicron is optically the same as the "regular" pre-asph 35/2 Summicron? I was considering purchase of one for my M3.

I know there are different "versions" of the 35 Cron, however, which version is the goggled Summicron optically and mechanically similar/identical to?

 

[Erik van Straten]

I know there are different "versions" of the 35 Cron, however, which version is the goggled Summicron optically and mechanically similar/identical to?

There are goggled versions of the 35mm f/3.5 Summaron, the 35mm f/2.8 Summaron, the 8-elements 35mm f/2 Summicron and of the first (chrome) and second (black anodized) versions of the 35mm f/1.4 Summilux lenses.

Erik.

 

[raid]

Hope I'm not taking this thread too far off-topic...😱

I'm glad the OP started this thread. I'm a Leica newbie and one of the foremost questions on my mind is if the Goggled 35/2 Summicron is optically the same as the "regular" pre-asph 35/2 Summicron? I was considering purchase of one for my M3.

I know there are different "versions" of the 35 Cron, however, which version is the goggled Summicron optically and mechanically similar/identical to?

They are optically identical as it pertains to the images resulting from these two lenses. My question is about what you see when looking through the VF.

I went back and I cleaned very carefully the goggled part. It is getting better but not totally, when compared with the ungoggled lens.

 

[raid]

There are goggled versions of the 35mm f/3.5 Summaron, the 35mm f/2.8 Summaron, the 8-elements 35mm f/2 Summicron and of the first (chrome) and second (black anodized) versions of the 35mm f/1.4 Summilux lenses.

Erik.

The goggled Summicron is the 8 element lens type.The "M2 Version" is also the 8 element type. The newer Summicron types were all 7 element types.
Right?

Some users swear by the 8 element type for smoother bokeh.

 

[raid]

When looking through the goggles, one looks through a thick layer of uncoated glass. Ofcourse the viewfinder-image suffers from that.

Erik.

I agree with your view, Erik. This came to my mind first, and I was curious if anyone else agrees. Don't laugh, but I was thinking whether someone has made a retangular lens shade for the goggles themselves. You would clip them on, and that would reduce the glare.

 

[David Murphy]

I'm almost afraid to ask, but what does one pay for a decent Googled Summicron 35/2? I "need" one for my M3.

 

[raid]

David,
Condition is important here.
Maybe $700-$1400?

Dan mentions also a price difference between Canada and Germany versions, but he may mean the ungoggled versions.

 

[raid]

David,
The goggled version looks great on the M3.

 

[Erik van Straten]

The newer Summicron types were all 7 element types.
Right?

No, the second and third versions were 6-element types. The fourth version, the bokeh-king, had 7 elements.

Erik.

 

[Erik van Straten]

Don't laugh, but I was thinking whether someone has made a retangular lens shade for the goggles themselves. You would clip them on, and that would reduce the glare.

Not a bad idea, maybe, but then something would be added to the already massive bulk.

Erik.

 

[raid]

No, the second and third versions were 6-element types. The fourth version, the bokeh-king, had 7 elements.

Erik.

So a comparsion between the bokeh of the 8 element and the 7 element Summcrons shows that the 7 element lens has better bokeh? This is not obvious to me.

 

[raid]

Not a bad idea, maybe, but then something would be added to the already massive bulk.

Erik.

I was also thinking along this line, but what else can be done other than ignoring the slight glare here and there?

 

[ferider]

Just ignore the glare, Raid. If I remember right, they barrel quite noticably, too. There is one nice thing about the googles: the lens lets you get very close (.6m?).

Roland.

 

[raid]

This is an excellent point. Roland. I like the goggled lens a lot. Why sell such a beauty?

 

[raid]

Minimum distance is 0.65m. I just took 5 shots with the lens. The M3 has nearly no sound. Why am I wasting my time on other equipment?

 

[Erik van Straten]

So a comparsion between the bokeh of the 8 element and the 7 element Summcrons shows that the 7 element lens has better bokeh? This is not obvious to me.

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The bokeh of the 8 element-lens is better than the bokeh of the 7 element lens. The 7 element-lens is however allways called "the bokeh-king", I don't know why.

The 8-element lens is in fact not a real 35mm lens, it's focal length is longer, about 40mm. The 7-element lens is however a true 35mm lens.

Erik.