Photon42
burn the box
I'm going to ignore that because it's not what I want to believe.
Oh ... can't help then
I also find it slightly unfortunate they skipped this focal length in the beginning. Looks a bit to me like a management decision. Still believe they come out with a 35mm later. Not uncommon tactics.Shade
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Lets see how Fuji brings out their interchangeable lens camera.. I have always liked their s-pro series, but they were some odd products that required some fiddly diddly. Great results though nonetheless. But I seriously hope they will make it right this time!
Oh and for those who asks why no 35mm equiv fov? Because they already have x100 to cover it and expect people to buy the x-pro as the main camera and x100 as a street semi wide second body.
Oh and for those who asks why no 35mm equiv fov? Because they already have x100 to cover it and expect people to buy the x-pro as the main camera and x100 as a street semi wide second body.
user237428934
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Oh ... can't help then
I think they just listened to the internet. When the X100 came out, a lot of people here and elsewhere stated "Not for me. Come back with a 50mm version". Now they start with 50mm and it's wrong again.
ferider
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You guys realize there will be Leica adapters available in no time ?
Cool camera. Watch for M9 sales.
And regarding pricing, check out what an M8 still fetches on the used market.
Cool camera. Watch for M9 sales.
And regarding pricing, check out what an M8 still fetches on the used market.
The existance of the x100 in my eyes is a short term excuse for the lack of the 35mm equivolent lens. Yes, today they do not want to undermine the x100, but it has to hard to sell one camera at these prices, much harder to sell two, and 35mm is such a fundamental focal length. The question I would guess is, will there be an x200 or x300? When that line is dropped in favor of the xPro thingy the 35mm equivolent lens will be offered.
Bobfrance
Over Exposed
But how would they work with the zoom finder? I doubt frame-lines and level of zoom will be selectable by the user, so that would leave the EVF. How would you focus them? I've not head focus peaking mentioned for this particular camera.
Despite being a different price point I agree that will impact on M9 sales.
ferider
Veteran
We haven't heard anything about that camera, really. But the registration distance seems short enough - that's all that matters.
It's the first digital camera with optical viewfinder and interchangable lenses with registration distance shorter than a Leica.
With the success of u4/3 and NEX with adapted lenses, Fuji would be silly not to offer software access to frameline selection or contrast focusing. It's just a software problem. Or include focus confirmation in the adapter ....
I can't see how this will have an effect on M9 sales. If you want a mechanical RF full frame camera, there is still only one. Plus, remember, some people care more about the dot than photos. Leica will be fine since they operate in the luxury zone (and not the consumer zone).
Leica will be fine since they operate in the luxury zone (and not the consumer zone).
Photon42
burn the box
I do - but I'm not sure how fluid it plays together with the optical viewfinder. Such a FL should be provided as a native lens. I'm ok with adapters for e.g. macro stuff or other applications where I have enough time to get around the adaptation oddities.
ferider
Veteran
I only commented on the used market, jsrockit. Real "Leica-men" buy new anyway.
Photon42
burn the box
I can't see how this will have an effect on M9 sales. If you want a mechanical RF full frame camera, there is still only one. Plus, remember, some people care more about the dot than photos.
Agree with the Lux zone (no pun intended). Sadly, the Leicas were pretty much the only game in town so far along with the Epson, when it comes to rangefinder like photography in ones and zeros.
Bobfrance
Over Exposed
True.
However the one thing I can't get my head around is; with adapted manual focus lenses, how can you parallel correct the frame-lines on the optical viewfinder when the camera has no idea how what distance the lens is focused at?
Leica, Epson and Voigtander do it because they have a roller that physically connects with cam the lens. I doubt this camera will have such a roller and all the other cameras operate with an EVF so are in effect more like SLRs.
Personally, if it can be adapted, I think this camera may be no better than most of the other EVF options on the market as far as mounting non-Fuji lenses goes.
Of course I'm sure they are very clever people at Fuji who may prove me wrong.
furcafe
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The only thing I can think of is that the camera would somehow take a focus distance reading from the sensor (reverse focus peaking?) & then feed it back to the framelines.
Archlich
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Trying to adapt M lenses onto this camera is like sticking your M lenses into a Contax G.
Doesn't make sense.
Doesn't make sense.
Bobfrance
Over Exposed
Good point.
I wondered that myself, but I thought contrast detect focusing only has distance data because the position of the lens elements is fed back from the lens to the camera thus providing the focal distance.
Without that it surely contrast detect would simply tell you if it is in focus or not, not what the distance is.
Bobfrance
Over Exposed
This is what I suspect.
ferider
Veteran
Don't get me wrong Bob. This is the first digital camera that interests me, and I will be totally OK using optimized Fujinon lenses on it. They will be smaller, have more than enough IQ, and can be supported by in-camera lens corrections, etc.
You, Archlich and me might not understand why we should use an M mount lens on u4/3, NEX or new Fuji. But the market is there (just search for "Leica adapter" on ebay) and I'm sure Fuji will enable it, is all I was saying.
This will be the first "affordable" M9 competitor (even though camera and lens kit will easily sell north of US 2k, I'm sure), and it will be better than the M9 in some departments (low light sensitivity & close focus, for instance); it will change RFF, too, I'm afraid.
Off to load my Hasselblad with Tmax
You, Archlich and me might not understand why we should use an M mount lens on u4/3, NEX or new Fuji. But the market is there (just search for "Leica adapter" on ebay) and I'm sure Fuji will enable it, is all I was saying.
This will be the first "affordable" M9 competitor (even though camera and lens kit will easily sell north of US 2k, I'm sure), and it will be better than the M9 in some departments (low light sensitivity & close focus, for instance); it will change RFF, too, I'm afraid.
Off to load my Hasselblad with Tmax
Bobfrance
Over Exposed
Off to load my Hasselblad with Tmax
I'm with you there. I think it looks a very promising camera, but I wouldn't want to spend too much on something that is just a backup to my medium format gear and would mainly be used for holiday snaps.
Spare any Tmax?
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celluloidprop
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Users might be forced to use the EVF if they want to have M-glass on this body. Might not be worth the hassle for OVF workarounds on Fuji's end, when the EVF presents the same option as folks have had with u4/3 and NEX cameras.
furcafe
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The difference is that the Contax G never had an EVF for SLR-like framing/focusing. I don't think anyone is going to be buying this camera primarily to use Leica M/LTM lenses, it's just a nice side benefit & can help users fill some focal length gaps given the limited initial lens offerings. For the same reasons, it would be nice for the M10, whenever it comes out, to have live view capability.