Uncommon, Rare, and Collector's Delights.

[Räuber]

Finally I can build my X-Ray goggles! 🥳 🤣

On the left an early R-Sonnar, on the right a later R-Sonnar. Those Sonnars were used to photograph X-Ray screens. They are special in the way that they have no aperture at all. They were build for RSBK cameras. That are cameras that were used in medical sectors to take images of X-Ray images. Could not find an image of such a camera yet. But you can see the ring used by the left one to attach to the camera.

I think those Sonnars were screwed into the camera to a fix distance to the screen they should photograph. There was no way to focus it or set an aperture. It was not needed since the screen and the camera did not move and the screen was only faintly glowing. So it needed a bright sharp lens to take images of this X-Ray screen.

Interestingly the left one did not say it is an R-Sonnar at the name ring. The lens is authentic. I just noticed on the images that there is an R at the back of the lens at the rear group. I was quite surprised. Later CZJ put the R before the name at the name ring.

The right one is missing the ring to attach it to the camera but it has the M44 screw.

 

[dexdog]

Rauber, thanks for posting this, I dont think I have ever seen an R-Sonnar in its original mount. I have R-Sonnar 2800190, but it is in a nicely-made "irregular production" LTM mount.

 

[JakobN]

Here is another copy from the first production with the R on the rear mount but none on the name ring.
Take a look at www.lpfoto.se auction no.64 lot no.163.

 

[Räuber]

Another old CZJ lens, likely one of the first produced by CZJ in LTM. Pretty sure I bought this one off an RFF member about 10 or 12 years ago.

Found an interesting auction that might tell the history a little further.

https://www.lpfoto.se/auk/w.object?inC=LP&inA=02-09-08&inO=312

If you look closely it matches your lens. Serial 1.502.652. So just a little later. It is an inverted version of the prototype you have. It is black with white letters. The scale is in feet 3,5 - 60 - inf and it also has the MADE IN GERMANY inscription. Very nice example. Unfortunately it was sold in 2002 and the auction site only took 2 images of this unique lens and put them online. The aperture and focus scale is not visible. What a shame! I suspect that they match your lens.

The auction text mentions that it was delivered to India in the past. So who was so important (or rich) in 1934 India that he can force a protectionist firm like CZJ to manufacture one of the most precious lenses of this time in M39 mount for the concurrent Leica I ?! This had to be a gift to someone.

 

[wes loder]

These were used on the Tenax II dark boxes for filming x-rays of lungs to spot tuberculosis. The Tenax II had their original mounts, rangefinders and shutters removed and a huge film advance was added. As many as a 1000 were made, but I have only seen a couple with their original R-Sonnars. Numbers seen: 2317778 and 2677243.

 

[Räuber]

These were used on the Tenax II dark boxes for filming x-rays of lungs to spot tuberculosis. The Tenax II had their original mounts, rangefinders and shutters removed and a huge film advance was added. As many as a 1000 were made, but I have only seen a couple with their original R-Sonnars. Numbers seen: 2317778 and 2677243.

Thank you for the interesting insight to the R-Sonnar. I have seen those Tenax cameras and Sonnars in the past but I was wondering if those are the RSBK cameras mentioned in some CZJ brochures. A little correction it is 2.517.778. The 3 and 5 can easily be confused. I have to update my documentation now.

 

[S.H.]

Had for years this ltm biogon... I finally bought a if/iiif for it. Seems to fit OK. Now shipping off the iiif for a service and new curtains, it sat for decades in a display case. At least the summicron is not scratched.



I have a nice lineup of lenses to go with it. I also have a biometar and an orthometar but the rear of the lens interferes with the rf cam at short distance. I wonder about selling these and buying a less fiddly wide angle.

 

[former member]

Buying lenses is easy, working on them is fun- selling them is a lot of work...

I've learned that the odd 5cm F1.5 Sonnars without a mount or aperture ring were used in "A Scientific Experiment" involving "Voltage Controlled Transmitters" sometime in 1970.

My lens- with hacked aperture ring and mount, made from odds and ends, and cutting a later Contax mount down.


A mystery- why would someone in 1970 use uncoated camera lenses from the 1930s on an optical bench? The three lenses that I currently have in hand are all from this same lot. The rear surface of each has an unusual bloom, very heavy. Not etched, not scratched, probably induced by the experiment- probably heat. I suspect the wavelength of the light source was not in the visible range, and someone had the bright idea of using uncoated optics. This is a known problem- optical coatings used in the visible range being poor performers for wavelengths outside their design specifications. To the point that I've given a 1000mm F11 mirror lens to replace expensive optics used in some experiments- the modern coatings killed the performance. Another time, loaned my Canon 50mm F0.95 for use on a "Sensors Unlimited" Infrared sensor that cost $25K.



The two Mystery Sonnars as bought, no mount, no aperture linkage, no aperture ring. Both suitable for photographic use now.
What else were they used for???
Pinky to Lip, "LASERS".

 

[boojum]

Buying lenses is easy, working on them is fun- selling them is a lot of work...

I've learned that the odd 5cm F1.5 Sonnars without a mount or aperture ring were used in "A Scientific Experiment" involving "Voltage Controlled Transmitters" sometime in 1970.

My lens- with hacked aperture ring and mount, made from odds and ends, and cutting a later Contax mount down.
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A mystery- why would someone in 1970 use uncoated camera lenses from the 1930s on an optical bench? The three lenses that I currently have in hand are all from this same lot. The rear surface of each has an unusual bloom, very heavy. Not etched, not scratched, probably induced by the experiment- probably heat. I suspect the wavelength of the light source was not in the visible range, and someone had the bright idea of using uncoated optics. This is a known problem- optical coatings used in the visible range being poor performers for wavelengths outside their design specifications. To the point that I've given a 1000mm F11 mirror lens to replace expensive optics used in some experiments- the modern coatings killed the performance. Another time, loaned my Canon 50mm F0.95 for use on a "Sensors Unlimited" Infrared sensor that cost $25K.


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The two Mystery Sonnars as bought, no mount, no aperture linkage, no aperture ring. Both suitable for photographic use now.
What else were they used for???
Pinky to Lip, "LASERS".

You bring to mind the old adage, "Never trust a programmer with a screwdriver." LOL

 

[former member]

I wrote code that had display messages "LASER at 100% POWER".

 

[boojum]

I wrote code that had display messages "LASER at 100% POWER".

ROTFLMAO I bet you did. Scare the hell out of the tyros.

 

[former member]

It was a cool piece of code- implemented an optical feedback loop using a voltage controlled variable optical attenuator and optical amplifier. And LASERs, of course. The code was very, very fast. The fiber optic version of whatever cool experiment these lenses were used for.

 

[rfaspen]

In high school I was in the "smart kids" chem and physics classes (back when those kinds of things were well funded). My friends and I convinced our teacher, who was as nerdy as we were, to build a laser as an after-school project.

Well, we did it. A fantastic experience in engineering and applied science. One of my friends had a parent who worked at a defense contractor (shall remain anonymous to protect the [mostly] innocent) that was able to supply the most difficult to aquire part of our apparatus. The unit was a CO2 based laser, powered by an old neon light or tube amp transformer, and other details I need not go into. The resulting laser wavelength was in the UV range (don't remember the specific wavelength).

Turns out it was a rather competent unit........... while none of us got in any trouble.........we underestimated the energy output we were dealing with.

A 3/4-inch dia. hole through the wall of our class lab was enough to put an end to our project. Not the teacher's suggestion but rather from the assistant principal. Our teacher was "all in" for further fun. A cinder block was a fine backstop....we learned quickly 😉. Remember UV light is not visible.... probably not a good quality for a class project.

Thanks guys for prompting this warm memory of my childhood.

 

[Glenn2]

Ah the good ole days. I had experiences of similar nature, also without lasting harm.

I’m fairly certain your laser would have been in the infrared range. Not even sure high power UV stuff exists yet. The oxygen in air absorbs shorter wavelengths of UV and limits power transmission that would have military use. All the CO2 lasers I’ve read about are IR.

Ah the mischief to be had in chemistry labs of yesteryear. Does nitrogen triiodide ring any bells or pop any memories?

 

[former member]

I made a list of chemicals that my fellow classmates were using to make explosives and gave it to the teacher for him to lock up. They were storing the stuff in a cabinet at school, and it went off on a weekend. No one hurt, but fair bit of damage.

 

[wlewisiii]

Thermite is a very interesting and very easy to mix in the back room of a junior high chemistry lab. A half-baked form of napalm too. Very difficult to keep those fires under control but we didn't manage to burn anything down.

Oh, did I say we? I know nothing. Nothing! 😈

 

[boojum]

The unfortunate reality is that explosives and poisons are easy to make and if you do not know how the information is available on the internet. But danger has always been present. So what is needed is a greater sense of responsibility. Can it be 100%? No, but we can reduce the incidence by teaching responsibility. I always have hope.

 

[Coldkennels]

Thermite is a very interesting and very easy to mix in the back room of a junior high chemistry lab. A half-baked form of napalm too.

Polystyrene and petrol will make a passable napalm... I think it was my old chemistry teacher who taught me that. He also told my class basic methods to make plastic explosives and pipe bombs. Frankly, I have no idea how he stayed in that job.

Getting a bit off track, but this is one of the biggest issues with the modern idea of "airport security" - so many every day items can be used to cause mischief or harm. You can't stop someone who's determined to cause trouble. Hell, someone once pointed out to me that while we're restricting liquids to 100ml, 100ml of sarin would still be enough to cause some real problems on a plane (and it's not like terrorists haven't used home-made sarin before), and there's more than enough energy in a fully-charged laptop battery to put a hole in the side of a plane if it was explosively shorted out, but we'd never try to tell businessmen they can't fly with their laptops.

Meanwhile, people are so stressed out about the whole arrangement that people are getting removed from planes for playing with a Hasselblad. The world's gone mad.

 

[rfaspen]

The poor guy was playing with his "new" Rolleiflex. ☹️. I was just on a flight and thinking about that guy....I left my M2 in the bag and resisted the temptation to get photos of scenery below.

I sure do also remember volatile iodide......"pops" another memory of my mom coming home from a shopping trip.... apparently some time after I had whipped up a batch of ""stuff". I must have dropped a few drops on the floor in my haste (um, yeah I mixed it up at the kitchen sink 😮). All I can really remember is hearing my mom come in the front door, walk into the kitchen to put groceries away, and pop, pop, pop! Then I heard my mom call my name in that special way that lets you know..... trouble. Must have been about 12 or 13 years old. So long ago and so many "dangerous" things we used to do. I told my son, when he was in high school, that I would have been suspended, arrested, or expelled if attending his school today. We were never malicious or anything, just kids. I never did get a chance to teach my son how to make his own fireworks. Maybe during his next visit? Thanks guys!

 

[CMur12]

I sure do also remember volatile iodide......"pops" another memory of my mom coming home from a shopping trip.... apparently some time after I had whipped up a batch of ""stuff". I must have dropped a few drops on the floor in my haste (um, yeah I mixed it up at the kitchen sink 😮). All I can really remember is hearing my mom come in the front door, walk into the kitchen to put groceries away, and pop, pop, pop! Then I heard my mom call my name in that special way that lets you know..... trouble. Must have been about 12 or 13 years old. So long ago and so many "dangerous" things we used to do. I told my son, when he was in high school, that I would have been suspended, arrested, or expelled if attending his school today. We were never malicious or anything, just kids. I never did get a chance to teach my son how to make his own fireworks. Maybe during his next visit? Thanks guys!

My friends and I made explosives with calcium carbide, which any kid could buy in a hardware store. We also charged electrolytic capacitors from old radio chassis on a Model T Ford coil and a lantern battery.

I remember other kids making iodine crystals that exploded on impact. One kid made some of these crystals, packed them carefully in cotton, and stashed them in a flat plastic case that he unwisely stowed in his back pocket. On the school bus, someone shoved him backwards, cracking that case on the steel edge of one of the seats, the crystals responded and burned the kid's butt!

Those were the days!😎

- Murray