Leni Riefenstahl's IIIc?

Quite a jump from the worship of the "Aryan" race to the worship of the Nuba, both based on some really skewed Nietzschean notion of an uncorrupted race. I wonder what her boyfriend would have thought of that.
Purely based on a superstitious notion of "bad energy", you couldn't give me her Leica.
 
Retro-Grouch said:
Purely based on a superstitious notion of "bad energy", you couldn't give me her Leica.
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Personally, I'd love to own Leni's Leica... if only to photograph the most "deviant" stuff possible.

Imagine, for instance, giving it to Nan Goldin to use as a perverse middle-finger to the ideology of its former owner. I'd take great joy in that.
 
NY_Dan said:
Both Leni and her gear give me the creeps. I wouldn't want to be in the same building as that camera.
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Yep. Even if I knew that I actually owned one of her cameras, I'd never tell that to anyone else--and I'd pretend I didn't know myself.
 
What a strange thread to revive. In any event, one thing about Leni that has stuck with me is her justification of her propaganda films. She would defend them, claiming they're not propaganda, because everything in them actually happened, she was simply documenting it. A claim which in and of itself is rather brilliant propaganda. Interestingly, one of the most virulent propagandists of our time, Chaya Raichik, has used the same justification for her hate mongering repeatedly. Some things never change.
 
I collect antiques and antique cameras. I come across cameras and for some reason silverware all the time that owners claim belonged to the likes of Eva Braun, Hitler, Leni Riefenstahl, Goering….etc. If it were all true those listed would have all been considered hoarders and there wouldn’t have been any room in the bunker. I find a lot of the silverware amusing, you can tell the monograms are fake immediately.
 
Freightdawg747 said:
I collect antiques and antique cameras. I come across cameras and for some reason silverware all the time that owners claim belonged to the likes of Eva Braun, Hitler, Leni Riefenstahl, Goering….etc. If it were all true those listed would have all been considered hoarders and there wouldn’t have been any room in the bunker. I find a lot of the silverware amusing, you can tell the monograms are fake immediately.
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Likewise, there is so much American "Colonial Furniture" that one must think that all our forebears did was make furniture.
 
This is a certainly a forum for the exchange of a wide variety of ideas. It is also a place of free speech.

Having said that, I would have preferred that this topic be left for some other forum. And, as a child of holocaust survivors, I find the notion of excitement around the sale of Riefenstahl's camera, or anything associated with her, very troubling.

Compliments to all for the civilized way in which the topic has been discussed.
 
Another of the many grandfathers' tales, most of which involve Leicas allegedly found on dusty attics. But as long as it is not sent to an Ukrainian forger to engrave an "original" signature, we can laugh wearily about it.
Has anyone ever watched one of her unspeakable propaganda films in its entirety? I deny them any artistic value, even if she exploited good cameramen.
 
boojum said:
Likewise, there is so much American "Colonial Furniture" that one must think that all our forebears did was make furniture.
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We come from a long line of furniture makers and sadly people no longer respect wood. Our family heirloom is now a Kallax shelf from IKEA. You can stack them.
 
mnutzer said:
Another of the many grandfathers' tales, most of which involve Leicas allegedly found on dusty attics. But as long as it is not sent to an Ukrainian forger to engrave an "original" signature, we can laugh wearily about it.
Has anyone ever watched one of her unspeakable propaganda films in its entirety? I deny them any artistic value, even if she exploited good cameramen.
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Nationalism bores me. These films are all over YouTube. Substitute the swastika for badge of choice. No thanks. Look at the size of the crowd! Hughhh.
 
Rayt said:
Nationalism bores me. These films are all over YouTube. Substitute the swastika for badge of choice. No thanks. Look at the size of the crowd! Hughhh.
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I am an historian by training and education. While I do not welcome or agree with all that is expressed or done I look at those things as indicators of who and what we are. And those indicators change to some degree while there is always a subtle underlying theme. See Hofstadter's The Paranoid Style in American Politics. It is part of who and what we are, sometimes on the surface, sometimes not. The Eisenhower Years are oft remembered as a time of stability and tranquility. They were also the years of the McCarthy Era.

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Rayt said:
We come from a long line of furniture makers and sadly people no longer respect wood. Our family heirloom is now a Kallax shelf from IKEA. You can stack them.
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These are nicer than Ikea, and you can stack them.:D My 1940s Honeywell Heiland projector with 1000 watt incandescent bulb and associated magic lantern slides. One of my grandfathers was a carpenter, and I like to use some of his old tools when I build furniture
 
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Rayt said:
We come from a long line of furniture makers and sadly people no longer respect wood. Our family heirloom is now a Kallax shelf from IKEA. You can stack them.
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My point, or what I meant to be my point, was that there were an awfully lot of fake pieces of "Colonial Furniture". There are so many that it would suggest that all of Colonial America was building furniture. It's an old joke.
 
boojum said:
My point, or what I meant to be my point, was that there were an awfully lot of fake pieces of "Colonial Furniture". There are so many that it would suggest that all of Colonial America was building furniture. It's an old joke.
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My name is Ray and I am an Antique Roadshow addict. I learned about those forgeries from TV. Can’t afford real antique furniture but garage sales got more interesting.
 
Rayt said:
My name is Ray and I am an Antique Roadshow addict. I learned about those forgeries from TV. Can’t afford real antique furniture but garage sales got more interesting.
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Those twins on AR are savvy. At one time I knew a bit about American Colonial furniture and they impressed the hell out of me with their exposition of fine details indicating place of fabrication and time. There were some wonderful colonial pieces. And tons of fakes.
 
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