Roastchestnuts
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Can you collapse the 50mm summicron v1 into the m10 series? I know my elmar M can be collapsed. If so can you share its rendering on digital and what it looks like on the camera?
Coldkennels
Barnack-toting Brit.
Not an M10, but I collapse the Summicron into an M240 all the time.
Edge performance can be a bit rough at f/2:

But for portraiture and similar, it's pretty good wide-open:

And, of course, stopped down a bit, there's absolutely no complaints:

(EXIF is saying that's at f/4, which sounds about right)
I should add this is an LTM one that Skyllaney recently cleaned and collimated; the email I got when it was finished said it was one of the cleanest examples he's seen, so I don't think you're going to find an LTM collapsible better than this. I assume the M collapsible has the same optics, just in a different mount?
Edge performance can be a bit rough at f/2:

But for portraiture and similar, it's pretty good wide-open:

And, of course, stopped down a bit, there's absolutely no complaints:

(EXIF is saying that's at f/4, which sounds about right)
I should add this is an LTM one that Skyllaney recently cleaned and collimated; the email I got when it was finished said it was one of the cleanest examples he's seen, so I don't think you're going to find an LTM collapsible better than this. I assume the M collapsible has the same optics, just in a different mount?
Roastchestnuts
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Thanks for the response! It looks like to be a fun lens. I have never owned one. Have owned a few other 50mm. the 50mm DR was amazing but I want one I can focus the full range on my M10m. The ridgid cron is a little more expensive but I also am thinking about it. I love lens character though. One of my favorite lenses to use on the m10m is the Elmar 5cm f3.5.
Erik van Straten
Veteran
wlewisiii
Just another hotel clerk
I had one, admittedly back on film with my CL, that was early enough to have the thorium elements. I traded with Sonnar Brian for a Summitar and still think I got the better end of the deal - loved that lens wide open much more than the 'Cron.
DownUnder
Nikon Nomad
Agree. I have a collapsible 'cron, one of the early ones. Also a Summitar.I had one, admittedly back on film with my CL, that was early enough to have the thorium elements. I traded with Sonnar Brian for a Summitar and still think I got the better end of the deal - loved that lens wide open much more than the 'Cron.
Both render about the same, or my two do, whichever applies. I prefer the Summitar as it has more character. I was also able to pick up a set of good matched Leitz filters for the 'tar. They slot into the front section of the lens and with the original Leitz hood, the look is truly classic, which I enjoy.
BTW both lenses had to be cleaned. I was gifted the Summicron and bought the Summitar at a mate's rate price. The cleanings cost about half the prices I would have paid from a reputable shop for either. This in Australia where everything has its (too high) price...
If I had to do this again, I would buy a Voigtlander 50 LTM of any vintage I could find. More than two times the quality at less than half the price. But this isn't to say those lenses aren't good, I just think Voigtlanders are far better, especially for color.
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wlewisiii
Just another hotel clerk
The Minolta/Chiyoko Super Rokkor 50/2 is a near clone to the Summitar so renders the same, is cheaper and rarely needs that kind of cleaning. I was pointed at it by Sonnar_Brian when I stared looking for another Summitar and wasn't finding a good one at a sane price.
Exquisite under the radar lens.
Exquisite under the radar lens.
Erik van Straten
Veteran
Show us an example, please.I had one, admittedly back on film with my CL, that was early enough to have the thorium elements. I traded with Sonnar Brian for a Summitar and still think I got the better end of the deal - loved that lens wide open much more than the 'Cron.
Erik van Straten
Veteran
Erik van Straten
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wlewisiii
Just another hotel clerk
DownUnder
Nikon Nomad
wlewisiii, those colors are muted but excellent. Typical Leitz rendering.
I will now have to eat some of what I wrote in my last post in this thread...
I will now have to eat some of what I wrote in my last post in this thread...
Roastchestnuts
Established
I am 99% sure I am going to pick up this lens and an older 35mm like the summeron f3.5 now. The rendering seems about perfect for my taste.
Erik van Straten
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Erik van Straten
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brusby
Well-known
I always appreciate your photos and your sensibilities as a photographer, Erik, even though we have very different printing styles.
wlewisiii
Just another hotel clerk
Just because I wanted a little more explicit examples of what I meant by the look of the OOF areas of the Super Rokkor 50/2, I took these two images the other morning. Both are wide open at ISO 200. 1/180th on the first, focused on the central moss covered rock of the wall. You get a good view of the scene behind the trees. The second at 1/250th was focused on the pine immediately behind that stone to show how it would look in the OOF area. I hope this gives an idea of what I appreciate about this lens.




chuckroast
Well-known
It was never my favorite lens because I fthought it too low contrast for my tastes. I found it was actually a bad batch of developer. But, by then I'd I sold it in favor of a V3 Summicron M mount and Color-Skopar 50mm LTM mount. Now I sort of miss that look. Scan of silver prints from negatives processed in proper developer:




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