looking for a screw on filter for my Fed-10 and/or Industar-22 lenses

[fub]

I have one of the push on filters from Leitz (with the little screw on the side) but that is only a UV filter and it blocks the aperature.
I have seen a screw in filter on a Fed-10 before and it was sitting right in the center of the lens, still allowing for aperature control.
Is my assumption correct, that the thread in the center of the lens is 19mm and that there is another 22mm just above it on the brass ring?

There are some M22 Leitz Elcan Type III filters for about 10€ on ebay right now. Are these any good? The seller seems to have been able to take the glass out of the housing, leaving him with 19mm diameter on the glass. Can the glass be screwed in the center of the Fed-10 and when it is in the m22 housing it fits to the other thread?

cheers

 

[farlymac]

I have a set of Walz filters in a plastic snap case somewhere around here that are labeled 19mm for the Elmar lenses. I test fitted them but have never used them as I found that it was easier to just change shutter speeds than try to wrangle the filter/hood combo.

PF

 

[Mark240590]

They’re really hard to find I think only Leitz made any. The soviet ones clipped over the tip of the entire lens

 

[fub]

They’re really hard to find I think only Leitz made any. The soviet ones clipped over the tip of the entire lens

there are some m22 filters on the german ebay that are non Leitz. Walz, Lomo, Nizo and Lifa are some brands that pop up more often.
Apperantly the Kodak-Retina I yellow filter is M22 aswell. i guess i give it a try and order one. they are only 9,90€


@farlymac
What do you mean by changing shutter speeds? Can it have a similiar effect as having a yellow filter would have?

 

[Coldkennels]

@fub, I'm pretty sure @farlymac meant he shoots with the Elmar as if it was an aperture priority setup - leave the lens at f/5.6 and only change the shutter speed to deal with changes in light. That's how I typically use the Elmar - I only change the aperture when there's a wild swing in light (like going from summer sun outdoors to dim indoor light). With that sort of operation, using an A36 filter that covers the aperture control is less of an issue.

 

[fub]

@fub, I'm pretty sure @farlymac meant he shoots with the Elmar as if it was an aperture priority setup - leave the lens at f/5.6 and only change the shutter speed to deal with changes in light. That's how I typically use the Elmar - I only change the aperture when there's a wild swing in light (like going from summer sun outdoors to dim indoor light). With that sort of operation, using an A36 filter that covers the aperture control is less of an issue.

got it! i have actually been doing the same even without filter. mainly because of laziness. works fine with 200iso film and lens set to f8

there is a auction with a Elmar close up lens ending tonight. if it stays cheap i might grab it, since it seems to be the screw in type

 

[Coldkennels]

there is a auction with a Elmar close up lens ending tonight. if it stays cheap i might grab it, since it seems to be the screw in type

If you're planning on using an Industar, I'd give it a pass. Hell, even if you had an Elmar, I'd say give it a pass.

The Industar's focal length is just different enough to the Elmar that the close up lens won't work as intended, and as you're not able to look through the lens on a rangefinder, you won't be able to see how much you'll need to adjust the focusing distance to compensate.

But even if you had an Elmar, the close-up lenses alone are a bit of a pain - because, again, you're not able to look through the lens. You have to measure the distance from film plane to subject to figure out when your image will be in focus. I believe there were tables supplied with the lenses originally so you could figure out what to set the focusing helical to and how much depth of field you'd have.

The better option with an Elmar is a NOOKY, which adjusts the rangefinder for correct focus - which wouldn't work on a Soviet camera anyway - or a Focoslide with the Elmar's VXZOO adapter/mount, which definitely would work with a Zorki or FED 1 (I've used mine with a Zorki 1 a few times). On a Focoslide you can see through the lens before sliding the camera in place, so the difference in rangefinder calibration between Soviet and Leica systems is completely negated.

 

[fub]

If you're planning on using an Industar, I'd give it a pass. Hell, even if you had an Elmar, I'd say give it a pass.

The Industar's focal length is just different enough to the Elmar that the close up lens won't work as intended, and as you're not able to look through the lens on a rangefinder, you won't be able to see how much you'll need to adjust the focusing distance to compensate.

But even if you had an Elmar, the close-up lenses alone are a bit of a pain - because, again, you're not able to look through the lens. You have to measure the distance from film plane to subject to figure out when your image will be in focus. I believe there were tables supplied with the lenses originally so you could figure out what to set the focusing helical to and how much depth of field you'd have.

The better option with an Elmar is a NOOKY, which adjusts the rangefinder for correct focus - which wouldn't work on a Soviet camera anyway - or a Focoslide with the Elmar's VXZOO adapter/mount, which definitely would work with a Zorki or FED 1 (I've used mine with a Zorki 1 a few times). On a Focoslide you can see through the lens before sliding the camera in place, so the difference in rangefinder calibration between Soviet and Leica systems is completely negated.

thanks for the heads up!
i was actually just looking at the near focus lens because of the m22 mount. it is sitting at a very low price so if i can get it for a few euros and at least see if it fits on either industar or fed collapsible. if it fits i might proceed to take the lens out and replace it with a gel filter. i just want a yellow filter

 

[Coldkennels]

Honestly? Just get an A36 one. It's much faster to put on and off than any screw-in filter, anyway - and you shouldn't be using a yellow filter all the time.

For instance, areas in shadow under a blue sky are actually quite blue. Using a yellow filter all the time will render them much darker than they should be.

For what it's worth, I've actually just realised I've had a Soviet A36 filter - complete with case - on eBay for ages: Soviet/Russian A36 Yellow Filter - with original case and in perfect condition | eBay UK

I don't know how eBay will handle shipping from the UK to Germany but I genuinely think that'd be much less hassle than trying to find (and use) a screw-in filter on these things.

 

[fub]

Honestly? Just get an A36 one. It's much faster to put on and off than any screw-in filter, anyway - and you shouldn't be using a yellow filter all the time.

For instance, areas in shadow under a blue sky are actually quite blue. Using a yellow filter all the time will render them much darker than they should be.

For what it's worth, I've actually just realised I've had a Soviet A36 filter - complete with case - on eBay for ages: Soviet/Russian A36 Yellow Filter - with original case and in perfect condition | eBay UK

I don't know how eBay will handle shipping from the UK to Germany but I genuinely think that'd be much less hassle than trying to find (and use) a screw-in filter on these things.

have to pay import tax when from uk. so thats mostly not worth it anymore (probably around 10€)
but there are plenty of the Leitz A36 filters with a screw on the side on german ebay for around 15-40€. tomorrow there will be a auction with 3 of such filters ending, i'll certainly give that a shot if it stays cheap.
tempted to just put a gel filter on the A36 UV filter i have. should be doable, shouldn't it? after all that UV filter was just 4€ when i bought it

 

[neal3k]

I'm a big fan of the A36 filter. I shoot lots of infrared on my Leica Barnacks with the 50mm f/3.5 Elmar. I have a Leitz dark red (dark enough for great infrared) and had a Leitz UV in A36. I had no use for the UV and wanted another IR so I removed the UV, measured the opening and bought a Chinese IR that looked like a fit after I removed it from the threaded ring. It was just slightly too large to drop in the A36 mount so I took it to my optician who ground off about 0.5mm from the edge (for free) and it fits and works perfectly. I love the quick on and off so I can easily go from panchromatic to infrared shooting with Rollei IR film.

I hope you adapt your UV to something more useful and get to enjoy a wonder filter system. I don't know about the gel filter but it should work if you can cut it to size.