Gabriel M.A.
My Red Dot Glows For You
Not hard at all. Saying that dealers pay is hard to understand.Ben Z said:
Even when you and I don't know how this is being done.
Even more so when dealers used this promotion by Leica as a sales pitch to get the M8 before Dec. 31st.
You tell me how hard that is to understand.
Huck Finn
Well-known
Gabriel M.A. said:
This deal doesn't strike me as such a magnanimous gesture on Leica's part. It's not costing them a dime & they get a lens sale that they might not have gotten otherwise. It's an old retailer's game.
Now if Leica had actually sent you something free for your trouble . . . Well, that would have been a nice gesture!
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Sailor Ted
Well-known
Like two free IR filters?
Gabriel M.A.
My Red Dot Glows For You
Two UV/IR cut filters, next monthHuck Finn said:Now if Leica had actually sent you something free for your trouble . . . Now that would have been a nice gesture!
The ones I chose, I believe they'd cost me altogether about $300, including shipping. It's a good thing I need only two for that size.
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Ben Z
Veteran
Sailor Ted said:
Actually I don't give a hoot if Leica screws their dealers out of their profits to give people the 30% discount, and it wouldn't stop me from exercising the option if I was eligible. If the dealers are PO'd it's between them and Leica, but it's contratictory to say how much you (not meaning you personally Ted) like Tony Rose or Rich Pinto and then sanctify Leica when they screw those same guys out of profits on selling lenses, instead of letting the dealers have the business and Leica rebate the 30% direct to customers. I'd be fine with Leica cutting loose their dealer network and sell direct (if they could do it effectively) and split the middlemen profits with us customers.
Gabriel M.A.
My Red Dot Glows For You
I need to find some Merry-Go-Round music.
AusDLK
Famous Photographer
>Those who aren't dogmatic in their views in things digital know about some
>computers that have kept or even become more valuable.
I have programmed computers for 30 years.
The first IBM PC sold for nearly $5000 in 1982 dollars.
I'd like you to name one computer available to the general public at any time in the short history of computing that has become more valuable.
>computers that have kept or even become more valuable.
I have programmed computers for 30 years.
The first IBM PC sold for nearly $5000 in 1982 dollars.
I'd like you to name one computer available to the general public at any time in the short history of computing that has become more valuable.
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Tony C.
Established
My pleasure, Gabriel:Gabriel M.A. said:
http://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/wop/sounds/Merry-Go-Round.wav
Gabriel M.A.
My Red Dot Glows For You
Excellent. Thanks, Tony.
Now I need to go find that first Macintosh, and ...he. But shhh, bewy bewy qwietly.
Now I need to go find that first Macintosh, and ...he. But shhh, bewy bewy qwietly.
AusDLK
Famous Photographer
>If the dealers are PO'd
No "if" about it. I know for a fact that (some) dealers are PO'd.
A local one and a big time one that is well known. Recent dealings with Leica has been a major headache.
No "if" about it. I know for a fact that (some) dealers are PO'd.
A local one and a big time one that is well known. Recent dealings with Leica has been a major headache.
AusDLK
Famous Photographer
>Now I need to go find that first Macintosh
Seriously. If you can show me in real $$$ how this first Mac is has appreciated, I'd like to see it.
Same for the first PC.
Are you saying that if I had a even mint condition 1982 IBM PC that I could sell it for more than $5000 today?
And if not, are you suggesting that you could with that first Mac?
Seriously. If you can show me in real $$$ how this first Mac is has appreciated, I'd like to see it.
Same for the first PC.
Are you saying that if I had a even mint condition 1982 IBM PC that I could sell it for more than $5000 today?
And if not, are you suggesting that you could with that first Mac?
Gabriel M.A.
My Red Dot Glows For You
We were talking appreciation, Dave.
With your same argument, I can say that there is hardly a single piece of film gear that you can ask for the same amount of money as when you got it new. That's how the used market works.
If you get into collector territory, that's a different story.
With your same argument, I can say that there is hardly a single piece of film gear that you can ask for the same amount of money as when you got it new. That's how the used market works.
If you get into collector territory, that's a different story.
Gabriel M.A.
My Red Dot Glows For You
Now I need to find Krusty's version of ... anything.
Ben Z
Veteran
Huck Finn said:
Exactly.
Now if Leica had actually sent you something free for your trouble . . . Well, that would have been a nice gesture!
To be fair, the 2 free filters are coming out of their pocket (or maybe better put, it isn't immediately obvious that it's coming out of someone else's).
AusDLK
Famous Photographer
Gabe --
To avoid this becoming a merry-go-round too, I'll conclude my contribution to this discussion with the following:
You wrote: some computers that have kept or even become more valuable
Note that we are talking about computers, not cameras.
more valuable
That means it is worth more then what it originally costs.
So, yes, are talking about appreciation. See #4.
That means, by your statement, that I can sell some or the other computer for more then its original value.
I agree that a collector (like a museum that needs some rare box to complete a exhibit or some nutty guy who has an original Mac fetish) should not be considered.
So, I merely asked for one applicable example of a computer that has appreciated to back up your original statement.
Okay, if it was off the cuff statement that didn't have a lot of thought behind it, and I am making a mountain out of it, then I apologize...
To avoid this becoming a merry-go-round too, I'll conclude my contribution to this discussion with the following:
You wrote: some computers that have kept or even become more valuable
Note that we are talking about computers, not cameras.
more valuable
That means it is worth more then what it originally costs.
So, yes, are talking about appreciation. See #4.
That means, by your statement, that I can sell some or the other computer for more then its original value.
I agree that a collector (like a museum that needs some rare box to complete a exhibit or some nutty guy who has an original Mac fetish) should not be considered.
So, I merely asked for one applicable example of a computer that has appreciated to back up your original statement.
Okay, if it was off the cuff statement that didn't have a lot of thought behind it, and I am making a mountain out of it, then I apologize...