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I'm not sure Sparrow/Stewart was attacking German wine or Germans, but I certainly don't see why you feel it necessary it to disparage Americans.

ferider said:
Let me counter the ethnical slur, though:

That German wine is "parochial" is a typical American stereotype, made in a country where > 90% of the population does not speak a 2nd language and has never traveled outside the US. I prefer a good Franken Wein over an over-designed Napa Chardonay at any time.
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furcafe said:
I'm not sure Sparrow/Stewart was attacking German wine or Germans, but I certainly don't see why you feel it necessary it to disparage Americans.
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Well, read the thread, Stewart used drinking of German wine methaphorically for being parochial. Very clear, no interpretation on my part.

Why I react sensitively to that ? I live in the US and like it. But that includes living with stereotypes that I dislike.

Anything factually wrong with my statement ? If not, why does it "disparage Americans" ?

Here is an example quote as a background to my statement:

http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/news_theswamp/2006/05/what_will_make_.html

Roland.
 
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Roland


I was not making any value judgment on German wine, how long has parochial been a derogatory term? I used it in preference to narrow-minded to avoid a negative tone with reference to Magus

regards
 
Nachkebia said:
Magus if something I am behind you! just remember how mighty Caucasian mountains are 😀 😀
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Incidentally, I had some excellent Georgian wine over New Year's. It was a pleasant surprise and changed my outlook on FSU wines. I knew Moldavian sweetish wine and didn't particularly like it, but apparently there are some really nice sorts from the Caucasus.

Now I wish it was easier to get some here in Germany; if you ask a wine dealer if he imports Georgian wine they usually look as if you asked them for soap.

Philipp
 
Sparrow said:
Roland

I was not making any value judgment on German wine, how long has parochial been a derogatory term? I used it in preference to narrow-minded to avoid a negative tone with reference to Magus

regards
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I guess I over-reacted, Stewart. 2nd time that happened with you, I apologize. Wish I could meet and have a beer with you ...

Roland.
 
ferider said:
I guess I over-reacted, Stewart. 2nd time that happened with you, I apologize. Wish I could meet and have a beer with you ...

Roland.
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Don’t worry about it, I’m a Yorkshireman being blunt is seen as a virtue around here we don’t get upset easily, I bring it on myself anyway, I get misunderstood trying not to be too direct🙄 …………… however first round’s on you if we do ever meet,😀 that's another Yorkshire trait!
 
Yes, but that doesn't mean he was maligning Germans or German wine, only that he thought that Magus should expand his horizons to wine (& lenses) from other countries. Even if he was somehow attacking Germans &/or German wine, I would hardly say that that is a "typical American stereotype," considering that most Americans, to engage in my own stereotyping, are not wine afficionados & those that are, IME @ least, know full well that Germany produces fine wines.

Which brings me to your statement that the U.S. is "a country where > 90% of the population does not speak a 2nd language and has never traveled outside the US," which I found disparaging because you clearly intended it as an indication that Americans are "parochial." I'm not sure where you got your figures, but I would have to disagree. In the 2000 census, 1/5 of Americans spoke a language other than English @ home (& that has almost certainly increased in the past 7 years) & IIRC (as a stereotypically lazy American I don't have a cite @ hand) the State Dept. estimates that over 1/4 of Americans have passports. True, we are not as multilingual & widely traveled as most Europeans (though multilingualism varies considerably among European countries), but we happen to live in a much larger country & a good percentage of us (about 10%) are immigrants & many more are descended from immigrants. I'm not saying that there aren't parochial people in the U.S., only that it's unfair & somewhat insulting to characterize the entire country that way.

My apologies to Roel for the OT discussion.

ferider said:
Well, read the thread, Stewart used drinking of German wine methaphorically for being parochial. Very clear, no interpretation on my part.

Why I react sensitively to that ? I live in the US and like it. But that includes living with stereotypes that I dislike.

Anything factually wrong with my statement ? If not, why does it "disparage Americans" ?

Roland.
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Oepsss..Roland: Carefull...! There is

German beer, US beer, Dutch beer....

I'll take a Heineken (internationally positioned as premium, in Holland 'just' a beer) Cheers guys!

Roel

Shoot first, drink later..😛
 
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ferider said:
Anything factually wrong with my statement ? If not, why does it "disparage Americans" ?

Here is an example quote as a background to my statement:

http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/news_theswamp/2006/05/what_will_make_.html

Roland.
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Hi Roland, the article you cite states that 92% of all US college students never take a foreign language class. Using that statistic to state that over 90% of the general population does not speak a second language is, to say nothing else, deeply flawed.

To be fair, though, the actual figure is still over 80% as of 2003:
http://www.census.gov/prod/2005pubs/06statab/pop.pdf

Furcafe, I'd be curious to see where you saw that 20% of the US spoke a language other than English at home in 2000.

And my apologies as well for continuing the OT conversation.
 
Roel said:
OK.Any suggestions for a B/W film that will fit the character of the lens? I was thinking of a film with some grain to help 'soften' the sharp/hashy image a bit.

Roel


Ps If anybody knows a nice Camerashop in Barcelona with some RF passion, please let me know. Furthermore any tips on photographic must do/see/shoot opertunities in Barcelona are welcome (perhaps more on PM basis to not interfere with this threads subject.)
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The 40/1,4SC is a good choice. It will bring up the 50mm frame, but that can be fixed easily with a small file or a Dremel cutter. I find it easier to shoot with a slightly "pessimistic" angle ( you get marginally less than you anticipate from the frames) than the "optimistic" angle that the 50 frames give you. As for film choice, my personal favourite is Tri-X, mainly because I have been using it for 50 years ( hate admitting to that!). Any of the 400 speed films are good. Tmax 400 is a bit tricky as it does not handle high contrast well. The Tmax films are good for controlled light situations but until we get a switch than can dim the sun to more managable intensity, I go for Tri-X/HP-5/Delta/Neopan. Run it in Rodinal to get distinct grain= I use a 1; 75/ 15 minutes or if you really want grain 1:25 for 7 minutes. watch for extreme contrast with Rodinal. It is easy to "fry" the film if you are not careful.
Some of the less known films like Foma/Efke/Lucky work very well too. To get sharp grain and good shadows I tend to use these films in home-made Beutler developer. Tight grain and with the 40/1,4 SC you also get easily printed shadows as it blocks the deep shadows less than a multicoated lens. Barcelona would be a nice place to shoot. Hanging out on "Ramblas" and also trying to get a good shot of Gaudi's masterpiece. Beats the outlook for more rain here and 1/60 @ f4 type of light. Oh well, spring will come shortly.
 
1/5 of Americans spoke a language other than English
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... at home. If they actually speak/write English (fluently, a _second_ language) is another question. As long as you can pass a driving exam at the DMV in a foreign language I will doubt that. The main other language spoken is Spanish, followed by Chinese, I believe. But if you look at American-born Americans or languages studied by college students (see my above quote) it looks different.

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Sorry, Roel, I only shoot color.

Roland.
 
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This is not specific to the 40/1.4 Nokton, but if you intend to scan your film, I've found the Fuji Neopan emulsions to be somewhat easier to scan (same is true to some extent w/the modern "T-grain" stuff like Kodak T-Max 400 & Ilford Delta 400 v. Tri-X & HP5+).

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Now is there anybody who will recommend a B/W film to use with that 40mm 1.4?
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I agree, though you didn't say "fluently" in your original statement. And I would agree w/you (& anybody else) who says that Americans should try to learn more languages, if only because it's helpful in business/foreign affairs. However, I still don't think it's fair to characterize all Americans as parochial based on their foreign language skills & travel histories. It's quite possible to speak foreign languages & travel abroad & still be narrow-minded.

ferider said:
The census question was:

"Does this person speak a language other than English at home?"

it is not:

"Does this person speak two languages fluently"

There is a difference.

Roland.
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I did delete the post you quoted to end the OT discussion ...

furcafe said:
However, I still don't think it's fair to characterize all Americans as parochial based on their foreign language skills & travel histories.
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I did not write or think that. I was opposing a stereotype.

furcafe said:
It's quite possible to speak foreign languages & travel abroad & still be narrow-minded.
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How subtle. 😀
 
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Well then we're good. Sorry for over-reacting, I was just opposing what I thought was an incorrect stereotype about Americans.

You can have a beer (of whatever nationality) on me if you ever come out to DC.

ferider said:
I did not write or think that. I was opposing a stereotype.
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Actually out there I probably will have a Sam Adams ....

But, ever since my divorce, I don't drink with lawyers 😀 J/K

Roland.
 
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