1000$, how?

Fabian

Fabian

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Hello together,

I mentioned this already in the big fuji thread, but there was no reaction.

So I try again;)

I would really like to discuss the price of 1000$ with you.

If you split it you get 700$ for the body and 300$ for the lens.
So I am wondering how to produce a aps-c sensor carrying body with a complex viewfinder in a niche market for 700$.

Any ideas how they do it.

Regards

Fabian
 
Its not the $1000 actually, its the idea of a fixed lens camera for $1000 that seems to bother some of us... I have no problem with fuji pricing, I have a problem with my self discipline and budget. Should I spend $1000 on a fixed lens digital camera simply because of its viewfinder and other cool attributes or wait for a similar camera with interchangeable lens while in the mean time using a VF with some high-end P&S or micro 4/3 camera? it comes down to personal priorities and reasoning.
 
They'll probably have Cosina make the lens, $25 each or less, plastic asph elements.

For the body, there's nothing there that costs a lot, maybe the prism and optical VF parts will also come from Cosina, est. $10.00 USD.

Aluminum frame $5.00 in quantity.

Sensor $15.00 USD.

Battery $3.00 USD, but will sell extras for $79.00 USD.
 
Fabian said:
Hello together,

I mentioned this already in the big fuji thread, but there was no reaction.

So I try again;)

I would really like to discuss the price of 1000$ with you.

If you split it you get 700$ for the body and 300$ for the lens.
So I am wondering how to produce a aps-c sensor carrying body with a complex viewfinder in a niche market for 700$.

Any ideas how they do it.

Regards

Fabian
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Maybe just maybe Fuji doesn't see it as a niche market and they're counting on the economy of scale much like Canon did when they put out the 10D, which came with a number of improvements over the D60 plus a price that was $500+ cheaper.
Maybe just maybe Fuji see this as a segment of the market that they can dominate especially if the hybrid view finder lives up to the hype.
 
Prior to the X100 announcement, I had planned on buying a second Canon G11.

However, I had also publicly stated that I was willing to pay three times the price of the G11 for a version that was built to withstand the wear and tear of everyday use. Therefore, provided it lives up to its specs, I was and am willing to pay up to $1500 for the X100.

I welcome the $1000 price tag.
 
mervynyan said:
why would leica x1 sells for $2k? That cola dot is probably more than $1k-:)
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It doesn't . It's for sale for $2k but is not selling very well at all. Fuji has chosen it's demograph for this camera, set a price, and likely did their design build based around that number. It's what all smart and targeted product manufactures do. Leica what are you doing ?
 
Fabian said:
I would really like to discuss the price of 1000$ with you.

If you split it you get 700$ for the body and 300$ for the lens.
So I am wondering how to produce a aps-c sensor carrying body with a complex viewfinder in a niche market for 700$.
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That's not how it works, you can't split a price that way.

It works because the lens is not interchangeable. If it was, the whole thing would be a lot more expensive.

Having non-interchangeable lenses drives the price down in so many ways - no need for a complicated mechanical bayonet with electrical linkages, no need to have a universal protocol between body and multiple lenses, no need to have extra software for supporting multiple lenses, *much* easier construction of the viewfinder (1 set of framelines and you're done), easier construction of the shutter, and finally easier calibration and QA - calibrate 1 body to 1 lens, you're done).

If the lens was interchangeable, I'd expect at least $500 more for the whole system.
 
A more compelling question would be why $500 for those "advanced compact" cameras with the tiny 1/1.7 sensor. Who knows why we pay what we pay for cameras? I'm still trying to figure out why I bought a Leica m6 ttl when it seems like we are losing a film every month.
 
Thardy said:
Who knows why we pay what we pay for cameras?
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You pay what you pay because you think you'll get what you pay for.
And companies charge you what they charge because they think you'll pay it.

I'm still trying to figure out why I bought a Leica m6 ttl when it seems like we are losing a film every month.
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When did you buy that Leica M6? Anyone who buys a film camera nowadays knows that some films are on the way out. Not all, of course, and other really good films have been on the way in. Worry less, shoot more with what you have, and spend less time on the Internet anguishing about sunk costs on film camera purchases.
 
f16sunshine said:
It doesn't . It's for sale for $2k but is not selling very well at all. Fuji has chosen it's demograph for this camera, set a price, and likely did their design build based around that number. It's what all smart and targeted product manufactures do. Leica what are you doing ?
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Andy,

Not sure where you got the impression that the X1 wasn't selling well. They were basically sold out until very recently and are still only available occasionally.

They've actually sold quite well, I enjoyed mine as a matter of fact before it moved along.
 
I don´t think $1000 is too bad. Its a third of the R-D1 when that came out. Considering that it will not be a huge selling item, they have to retrieve their development costs on relatively few units.
 
it certainly fits for the one camera/one lens crowd...
considering the price of compacts or a good 35mm lens this sounds good to me.
i had fuji enlarging lenses when i wet printed and they were fabulous...
 
ampguy said:
They'll probably have Cosina make the lens, $25 each or less, plastic asph elements.

For the body, there's nothing there that costs a lot, maybe the prism and optical VF parts will also come from Cosina, est. $10.00 USD.

Aluminum frame $5.00 in quantity.

Sensor $15.00 USD.

Battery $3.00 USD, but will sell extras for $79.00 USD.
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I heard they got non union carpenters and electricians for the framing and wiring.
 
When five years ago Sony released R1 (big chunky camera with APS-C sensor and 24-120mm lens), it were priced...at $1000. Another ground breaking camera, Fuji F30 started at about $800 - great camera, sensor is a bit larger than common in P&S though far from APS-C. You may think I'm comparing apples to oranges, but I'm not - this were well recognized cameras and X100 is coming with a passport of same league.

Looks like a milestone cameras cost close to $1000 and more.
 
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