$390,000 ?!?!?! For a USER Leica III?

hahaha...up to 590 k!!!

a bargain...but the shot it did can be matched i think!

The workers heaven smashing the arian nation!!! the price should be higher!!!
 
Yes, but pretty much all flag raisings since the invention of photography are photo ops (if there's a photographer around).

For me, I think the distinction is that "staged" suggests that Rosenthal directed the action & posed the Marines like in a studio shot or movie. So I agree that the event was staged, but the famous shot wasn't.

Don't know if Khaldei told the Russian soldier in the Reichstag how to pose.

KoNickon said:
The distinction is lost on me. The second flag was raised because the first one was too small, so Joe Rosenthal captured the raising of the second flag. So, a photo op rather than the original flag raising.
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Yeah, they took watches. They even took a bunch of countries as they were pushing the Nazi's back. It's the spoils of war. If the Germans didn't want to lose their watches, millions of their young men, and half their country, they shouldn't have let Hitler get them into the mess with delusions of grandour. It was all fun and games when they took over Poland and France and Czechoslovakia and Austria and.... But then it was time to pay the consequences as the Allies and the USSR knocked their socks off.
 
Kind of funny 'everyone' wants to talk about a watch, it's like hasbara in here. The plan for Poland was that everyone there would be killed, and then various Germans would simply move in to their houses, replacing them. Then there would be no Poles, all dead, just a few blonde children who would be 'adopted' by Germany. The Germans got pretty far along with this plan (killed a lot of Poles) before they were stopped. goamules beat me to it, well said.
 
DominikDUK said:
The Reichstag shot was retouched because one of the soldiers had too many watches and that this fact could be seen as prove of soldiers stealing from the people.
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Hi,

Are we talking about the photo here?

http://www.2photo.ru/3978-evgenijj_...i_pechatali_vse_centralnye_gazety_strany.html

I ask because I can't see more than one soldier in it and he has a long sleeved shirt on. So how could we see several watches? Or was the Soviet army's uniform one with short sleeved shirts...

Regards, David
 
It's the soldier holding the legs of the one with the flag. Khaldei took several pictures. The one in the link looks like a non-retouched one. It's the watch on the right arm that was scraped of the negative of the most famous version.

There is also a theory that the soldier wasn't wearing two watches, but a compass on the left wrist and a watch on the right, and that incidentally the watch was removed.
 
Ranchu said:
Kind of funny 'everyone' wants to talk about a watch, it's like hasbara in here. The plan for Poland was that everyone there would be killed, and then various Germans would simply move in to their houses, replacing them. Then there would be no Poles, all dead, just a few blonde children who would be 'adopted' by Germany. The Germans got pretty far along with this plan (killed a lot of Poles) before they were stopped. goamules beat me to it, well said.
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The point with the watch is that the USSR didn't want it seen as if it's soldiers were interested in personal gain. No, they were selfless servants of the collective.
 
Ranchu said:
Sounds like propaganda to me.
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Hi,

Yes, I agree but I wonder whose propaganda?

Worse still, there was a lot of anti Soviet propaganda written and spread during the Cold War. So who do you trust?

That's why I base my opinion of FED, Zorki and so on on my cameras and the prints I get out of them. And ignore most of what I read on the internet.

Regards, David
 
Every good photograph tells a story, and there are always stories, but a good story very often outlives the hardware, as well as the hand that takes part in it.
 
That's a fantastic, albeit staged, photo though.

Yevgeni Khaldei's Raising a Flag Over The Reichstag 1945. The fact that the second watch was airbrushed out was very interesting.

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