70mm Film FUN up ahead

[Calzone]

BEST DEAL FOR FRESH 70MM

The 70mm Rollei 400S shows great promise. By my calculations $98.08US buys you 100.07 ft of fresh 70mm film. Plus shipping from Germany.
It is available here: https://www.macodirect.de/en/film/infrared-films/1697/rollei-infrared-400s-70mm-x-30.5m

There is a Flikr Rollei 400S user group here: https://www.flickr.com/groups/2760100@N24/

Orranäsasjön Infrarot Hasselblad by CourtLux, on Flickr

Solitary Tree by Lars Holte, on Flickr

Hania by Krzysztof Poleszak, on Flickr

Dan,

I figure about 4 feet of film is the equiv of a roll of 120. At less than $2.50 a roll of 120 equiv it is very cost feasible to love shooting or learning to shoot an IR film.

All of the sudden I'm able to shoot again when I could buy Arista Premium (repackaged Tri-X) for $2.89 a roll, and close dated Arista Pro (rebranded Acros) for $1.89 a roll except I shooting medium format.

Pretty much a no brainer to me. Bonus is that it is fresh film, and 200 ISO bodes well for cameras with leaf shutters.

Cal

 

[Nokton48]

Dan,

This Topcon "Spooler" for loading 35mm 250 exposure reels seems readily adoptable for 70mm spooling in a changing bag. I bought it for $25.00 from KEH a wile back originally thinking I could use it for Kodak 5222 in 400 foot rolls to respool into smaller rolls for daylight loading using a bulk loader.

There is a dial that stops the crank when the number of exposure setting is met and there are 50, 100, 185, 200, and 250 exposures. There is ample gear multiplication so that three turns of the crank spools precisely one foot of film. The 100 exposure setting spools 14 1/2 feet for 70mm, and 250 exposures I figure provides 36.25 feet in a short roll. If I lift this arm that maintains the film in the sproket the counter resets so I can increment and add to the first 36.5 feet with another 36.5 feet, and possibly will be able to add a third dose to have just over 100 feet (108.75 feet). For 135 all I have to do is create a holder for the 400 feet of film that will maintain the oversized feed roll in a vertical position.

I think I can easily adapt this respooler for 70mm use, especially since I have extra sproketed roller from dissassembled Linhof CINE's. The huge advantages with respooling verses using a daylight bulk loader are, lesss likely to scratch film, and less wear and tare on the felts.

Without any mods BTW I can use the Topcon respooler to meter off 14.5 feet of film.

Cal

When you get that set up for 70mm, will you shoot a digiphoto and post it here Please?? 🙂

I have a Minolta XK Motor 250 bulk loader I might be able to adapt. Hmmmmm Also from KEH

 

[Nokton48]

This thread haas been an eye opener!
I love the mega blad back, huge. The smaller back looks really cool and practical though.And the film! I know 15x50' of film is a lot, but I just can't imagine buying almost $3k of film in one hit, you'd have to be dedicated!

Hey

Thanks for your comments!

On some forums users have pooled together to get the minimum order from Ilford. Then they split it up amongst themselves.

 

[Nokton48]

Efke used to offer their R100 film in 30.5 meter rolls of unperforated 70mm. I grabbed a roll from J&C Photo when they were closing it out. It's fresh and has been frozen since purchase. Freestyle and B&H also had it.

See Here:

http://www.freestylephoto.biz/19117...-100-70mm-x-100-ft.-roll-Non-Perforated-(Past

I can use this film in my Hasselblad A70 (I have one A70 with the rubber adapter wheel installed), or in my Beatty Coleman Transet 6x8cm 70mm back, which I will use on my Plaubel Makiflexes and Sinar Normas.

 

[Nokton48]

Here I have attached the "rubber wheel" inside the Hasselblad A70 70mm film magazine, so I can pull unperforated Efke R100 film through the camera.

DSC05801 by Nokton48, on Flickr

One thing I have recently learned, is to thoroughly label everything! Recently I opened a 70mm cassette, thinking it was empty, and exposed the roll. It was from years ago, but you know, some of this 70mm film stock does not weigh all that much. I really thought by shaking it that the cartridge was empty. Now I am going to tape them closed as I load the film and load the cameras.

DSC05802 by Nokton48, on Flickr

 

[Calzone]

Dan,

I figure about 4 feet of film is the equiv of a roll of 120. At less than $2.50 a roll of 120 equiv it is very cost feasible to love shooting or learning to shoot an IR film.

All of the sudden I'm able to shoot again when I could buy Arista Premium (repackaged Tri-X) for $2.89 a roll, and close dated Arista Pro (rebranded Acros) for $1.89 a roll except I shooting medium format.

Pretty much a no brainer to me. Bonus is that it is fresh film, and 200 ISO bodes well for cameras with leaf shutters.

Cal

Dan,

I physically measured my 120 test roll that I use for exercising my 120 cameras. A roll of 120 is only 32 1/2 inches long and the Rollie 400S at $98.00 you reported above brings back the good old days of cheap film where I figure a roll of 120 equiv costs $2.66.

I shot mucho Acros in 120 when it was sold at Adorama for $3.69 a roll.

The 400S is a kinda "make it work" moment for me that brings back the old days when film was mucho cheaper. In fact how did shooting 6x7 and 645 become less expensive than 135 on a per roll basis?

This is a dream come true. It pays to be a retro-slob. LOL.

Cal

 

[Nokton48]

They should deduct VAT (value added tax) because you are in the USA. So it will be even a bit cheaper. Around 15% approx
I wonder how much they have in stock? I just finished my short roll of 70mm 1981 Plus-X.

I think I will test develop it in my favorite straight Legacy Mic-X

I bracketed at EI 100, EI 50, and EI 25. Should work ok

 

[Calzone]

They should deduct VAT (value added tax) because you are in the USA. So it will be even a bit cheaper. Around 15% approx
I wonder how much they have in stock? I just finished my short roll of 70mm 1981 Plus-X.

I think I will test develop it in my favorite straight Legacy Mic-X

I bracketed at EI 100, EI 50, and EI 25. Should work ok

Dan,

I forgot to mention the value added of a likely extra frame. The extra head and tail I trim off a roll of 120 I think will give me an extra frame for free, so I believe I will get 11 frames of 6x7 instead of 10, or 10% "value added."

My understanding of B&H and this other big film dealer that utilize the Ilford ULF program is that they will take pre-orders in the spring, Ilford will manufacture over the summer, and film will be shipped in the fall.

I tried to place an order, but I missed the deadline. Oh-well. So I have to pre-order before the end of May 2018 for the next cycle. The cost is more at B&H, but at this other dealer the lower price was $168 for a 50 foot double perf roll. Not cheap, but one could shoot a medium format like a Leica.

As far as I know these bigger dealers place large enough orders to supply us smaller fish.

Cal

 

[Calzone]

When you get that set up for 70mm, will you shoot a digiphoto and post it here Please?? 🙂

I have a Minolta XK Motor 250 bulk loader I might be able to adapt. Hmmmmm Also from KEH

Dan,

Will do. I'll get my Linhof Consultant to teach me how to post. Remember I'm a lazy slacker. LOL.

After I build my respooler, know that I'll still have a spare pair of 70mm sproketed spindles from the donor CINE's I disassembled.

I hope to mod some 135 spools that I will use as an interface to adopt the Topcon feed and take-up shafts to 70mm sproketed spindles. Not hard. My intent is to use the half the 135 double sproketed feed/counter, meaning one sproket to count the footage. Basically I'm just extending the feed and take-up shafts by adding the Linhof CINE shafts with sprokets.

I can gift you the extra set of Linhof CINE shafts one I get mine respooler going.

Cal

 

[Jake Mongey]

This is by far my favorite thread ATM. Is there any way of obtaining a roller for uperf film in the a70 nowadays? Ive just got a distinction in my first year of college and my family are offering me a reward and im wondering if I can still get one of these in order to run unperf portra though the hassy eventually.

 

[Calzone]

This is by far my favorite thread ATM. Is there any way of obtaining a roller for uperf film in the a70 nowadays? Ive just got a distinction in my first year of college and my family are offering me a reward and im wondering if I can still get one of these in order to run unperf portra though the hassy eventually.

Jake,

Congrates for the recognition.

As far as the Hassy rollers that are discontinued and no longer available, I have to consult with a friend who 3-D prints and is a bit like me: meaning both a bit crazy, where crazy is a good thing, and is also a photographer.

An example of his work is a "Rose" the flower like plastic retainer that is on a Leica M baseplate that meshes into the three fingered prongs to advance the film.

He gave me a clone of a "Rose" he 3-D printed, and I mounted it on my Wetzlar M6 that I kinda heavily use with a TA Rapidwinder. Been using it for a few years. With a TA Rapidwinder you are suppose to transfere the Rose from your baseplate, but because I'm a lazy slacker Christian just 3-D printed me one.

From Dan's posts I see is a pulley like assembly that uses an O-ring that replaces sprokets. For color shooting not requiring double perf allows shooting 70mm color films.

My friend is an architect and knows CAD, and he has some place that owns and runs the 3-D printers. I wouldn't mind a set myself.

Mark Cuban once said, "Go big or don't go." Creative people are problem solvers and are kinda project oriented. Now I have to be a salesman and convince my friend it is a great idea to make a new project.

I was talking about creating a bulk loader that could handle 800 foot rolls of Kodak 5222, but the response was that the cost would not be cheap because of size. Laser cut acrylic was deemed too much static electricity and would be a dirt magnet, and MDF too hydroscopic, but these pulleys made of plastic instead of aluminum... Hmmmm.

Cal

 

[Jake Mongey]

Jake,

Congrates for the recognition.

As far as the Hassy rollers that are discontinued and no longer available, I have to consult with a friend who 3-D prints and is a bit like me: meaning both a bit crazy, where crazy is a good thing, and is also a photographer.

An example of his work is a "Rose" the flower like plastic retainer that is on a Leica M baseplate that meshes into the three fingered prongs to advance the film.

He gave me a clone of a "Rose" he 3-D printed, and I mounted it on my Wetzlar M6 that I kinda heavily use with a TA Rapidwinder. Been using it for a few years. With a TA Rapidwinder you are suppose to transfere the Rose from your baseplate, but because I'm a lazy slacker Christian just 3-D printed me one.

From Dan's posts I see is a pulley like assembly that uses an O-ring that replaces sprokets. For color shooting not requiring double perf allows shooting 70mm color films.

My friend is an architect and knows CAD, and he has some place that owns and runs the 3-D printers. I wouldn't mind a set myself.

Mark Cuban once said, "Go big or don't go." Creative people are problem solvers and are kinda project oriented. Now I have to be a salesman and convince my friend it is a great idea to make a new project.

I was talking about creating a bulk loader that could handle 800 foot rolls of Kodak 5222, but the response was that the cost would not be cheap because of size. Laser cut acrylic was deemed too much static electricity and would be a dirt magnet, and MDF too hydroscopic, but these pulleys made of plastic instead of aluminum... Hmmmm.

Cal

Thank you! I just need to survive the second year now!
If we could make it happen I would sure as hell get one! I mean as for measurements, if the OP would be kind enough to provide some form of measurements of the product it could potentially give the idea more ground to stand on? However, I know near nothing about CAD/CAM other than my experiences at school occasionally sending some questionable drawings down to the lazer engraver to annoy the technician 😛

 

[Stefan Wood]

Just received an email from FilmPhotographyProject.com stating that they are considering buying 70mm bulk films from Kodak. Mainly for the purpose for reconstituting old 116 or 616 rolls cameras, but why not just roll em for your 70mm cartridges?

 

[Nokton48]

Thank you! I just need to survive the second year now!
If we could make it happen I would sure as hell get one! I mean as for measurements, if the OP would be kind enough to provide some form of measurements of the product it could potentially give the idea more ground to stand on? However, I know near nothing about CAD/CAM other than my experiences at school occasionally sending some questionable drawings down to the lazer engraver to annoy the technician 😛

Yes Jake I can take the wheel apart, and shoot some more pictures and make some careful measurements.

There was a guy over at the Kiev Delphiforum who ground down the original sprocket, and attached rubber gluing around it around thje ground-down sprocket.. Don't know how difficult that would be to do. Might require some trial and error to get it right.

The rubber O-ring most likely would be easy to source.

-Dan

 

[Nokton48]

Just received an email from FilmPhotographyProject.com stating that they are considering buying 70mm bulk films from Kodak. Mainly for the purpose for reconstituting old 116 or 617 rolls cameras, but why not just roll em for your 70mm cartridges?

I'd be interested. 70mm Film for converting to 116 most likely would NOT be type-II perforated. So you would need a 70mm Graflex back to use it on a 4x5 camera with Graflock. Or the Beatty Coleman Transet. Or the Hasselblad A70 modified with the rubber wheel (you exchange the sprocket; takes two minutes to change it out).

 

[Jake Mongey]

Yes Jake I can take the wheel apart, and shoot some more pictures and make some careful measurements.

There was a guy over at the Kiev Delphiforum who ground down the original sprocket, and attached rubber gluing around it around thje ground-down sprocket.. Don't know how difficult that would be to do. Might require some trial and error to get it right.

The rubber O-ring most likely would be easy to source.

-Dan

Feel free to give it a go as long as you feel okay with it. If this does become a thing Cal will most definitely be heading it so well wait and see how that goes.

 

[Jake Mongey]

Dan,

I forgot to mention the value added of a likely extra frame. The extra head and tail I trim off a roll of 120 I think will give me an extra frame for free, so I believe I will get 11 frames of 6x7 instead of 10, or 10% "value added."

My understanding of B&H and this other big film dealer that utilize the Ilford ULF program is that they will take pre-orders in the spring, Ilford will manufacture over the summer, and film will be shipped in the fall.

I tried to place an order, but I missed the deadline. Oh-well. So I have to pre-order before the end of May 2018 for the next cycle. The cost is more at B&H, but at this other dealer the lower price was $168 for a 50 foot double perf roll. Not cheap, but one could shoot a medium format like a Leica.

As far as I know these bigger dealers place large enough orders to supply us smaller fish.

Cal

Nik and Trick down local to me claim and aim to always be the cheapest in the UK and from what I have looked at are. Ive dealt with them personally many times and they really are in it for the customer. Why am I saying this? They will place Ilford ULF orders for any customers who want any during the opening window. Pretty sure they ship internationally but maybe it could end up being cheaper than BH?

 

[Nokton48]

I've bought Ilford from these Folks in the past. I was told that they are "right down the road from the Ilford Plant, and the Ilford trucks stop by every day."

Check them out:

http://www.ag-photographic.co.uk/

 

[Jake Mongey]

I've bought Ilford from these Folks in the past. I was told that they are "right down the road from the Ilford Plant, and the Ilford trucks stop by every day."

Check them out:

http://www.ag-photographic.co.uk/

I used to use them for my paper orders, eventually switched to the guys i stated above for various reasons but they have a great lab service and may be better for ULF orders because of their location

 

[Nokton48]

He also said he might be able to convince them to do special runs, including stuff not listed