70mm Film FUN up ahead

I have been traveling, but when I got home a third Linhof CINE was waiting for me. This CINE is an older tan version, but primarily I bought it for the 2x3 Grafloc.

Know that my first two CINE's are later black versions that are in pristine condition. The new tan CINE is not so fresh, but is functional, the only thing a bit wonky is the frame counter does not reset fully to zero (starts at one). Oh-well.

I will transfer the 2x3 Grafloc to a black CINE shell, and this will enable me to have 645 and 6x7 backs for use with my 53/4.5 Biogon. I figure in 645 I'll have a 35mm FOV, and in 6x7 a 28mm FOV.

How cool is that. The tan 6x7 insert will be a spare that will be ready for 4x5 use. Because I'm a lazy slacker I don't mind the frame counter being offset a bit. With 15 feet of film and over 60 exposures a few frames off on the frame counter is no big deal.

Cal
 
Nokton48 said:
Hi Cal,

This arrived the other day from Freestyle 🙂

DSC05873 by Nokton48, on Flickr



Developing instructions for 400S: 14 minutes at 1:15

DSC05876 by Nokton48, on Flickr
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Dan,

The question is at what film speed?

Since 400S is suppose to be 200 Superpan I would start at 200 ISO and do the 200 Superpan time.

Cal
 
Now that Alan Strarkie has almost finished my Combat Graflex, I too will be shooting 70mm soon. I have a few filled cassettes with Rollei 400S but am not sure about ISO. I see all sorts of advice running from 100 to 800 ISO. I have a friend in the USA who has a Nikor mega tank he is prepared to sell me (I think) and Hewes do a 70mm x 15' reel. The main problem I have had is cutting the film off dead square inside a changing bag. I have a mixture of Kodak, Hasselblad and Linhof cassettes. The Kodak and Hassy are fine as they use an S.Steel spring clip to retain the film on the spool but the Linhof has a very shallow slot with a small tooth at each end to retain the film via the sprocket holes, so it has to be cut off perfectly to sit square and lock in the slot. A very poor arrangement compared with the Kodak and Hasselblad. I am thinking of attacking the Linhof spools with a slotter on a Dremel tool to deepen the slot into the centre of the spool.

For anyone who would like to see the amazing sight of the naked Combat Graflex shutter running after repair with 3D printed titanium parts. You can tell this is a military machine. look here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PsjQMFjLUQ
Wilson
 
My experience with 400S in 120 is that the film speed is grossly exaggerated.

Optimally it might be a 160-200 ISO film. Looks like the Rollie Supergain could do well.

With Rodinal 1+50 i got 50-80 ISO.

With Diafine 4+4 I got 125 ISO, nice tonality, but Bromide drag in a blue sky, even adding more agitation did not help.

Two liters of developer to cover a 15 foot reel.

Cal
 
Willi Beutler "Leica" Developer TomA turned me on to this stuff with Eastman 5222.
Super cheap to make as a one-shot. Practically FREE 🙂


Metol ....................... 2 grams
Sodium Sulfite............. 10 grams
Sodium Carbonate ...... 10 grams
Water to make............ 2 liters

From above: ^^ for me it works out to like 15 cents a roll, so hardly anything. it is a little grainier than rodinal, but much sharper and no speed loss.
shoot it at 160, then beutler 1+1+10 for 9.5 min at 68 degrees.


Leica wanted a developer that would exploit the qualities of their fine lenses.
Beutler is THE classic. Also known as "Neofin Blue".

I've read enough good things about using this with 400S Rollei to be interested in trying it.
 
I got a private message from Robert Vonk "Fotohuis"
He's on holiday right now but he's wanting to contribute to this thread.
He has a lot of first hand knowledge to contribute. Has beautiful technique with Rollei 400S.



Also Freestyle called me back today, they can special order 70mm Rollei 400S directly from Rollei in Germany.
Price is $129 per roll, no minimums. Order must be placed by August 18th. October delivery.
Might be of interest to someone here. 🙂
 
wilsonlaidlaw said:
Now that Alan Strarkie has almost finished my Combat Graflex, I too will be shooting 70mm soon. I have a few filled cassettes with Rollei 400S but am not sure about ISO. I see all sorts of advice running from 100 to 800 ISO. I have a friend in the USA who has a Nikor mega tank he is prepared to sell me (I think) and Hewes do a 70mm x 15' reel. The main problem I have had is cutting the film off dead square inside a changing bag. I have a mixture of Kodak, Hasselblad and Linhof cassettes. The Kodak and Hassy are fine as they use an S.Steel spring clip to retain the film on the spool but the Linhof has a very shallow slot with a small tooth at each end to retain the film via the sprocket holes, so it has to be cut off perfectly to sit square and lock in the slot. A very poor arrangement compared with the Kodak and Hasselblad. I am thinking of attacking the Linhof spools with a slotter on a Dremel tool to deepen the slot into the centre of the spool.

For anyone who would like to see the amazing sight of the naked Combat Graflex shutter running after repair with 3D printed titanium parts. You can tell this is a military machine. look here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PsjQMFjLUQ
Wilson
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Welcome to the 70mm Club, Wilson! Let's keep this thread going, eh?

So the 70mm 400S Rollei is type II perforated, right? The Combat Graphic has teeth for this type of film, like the Hasselblad.

CONTAX combat graphic by Eduardo Urdangaray, on Flickr
 
My Linhof Consultant gave me two rolls of the "Alpha" (first batch) of Ferrania P30, a B&W cine film from the 1960's that is being recreated.

It seems that 120 and 4x5 are next, but they are willing to bring back 126, another dead format. Hmmm, might 70mm be a possibility?

Also I mentioned that CatLabs currently is producing a new film in 135 that uses computers for deposition of two different emulsions. 120 is following. It seems that this French manufacturer that CatLabs utilizes has equipment that can scale up and scale down. Perhaps again 70mm is a possibility.

Know that CatLabs has made a commitment to "Cartridge Films" and is working to create Polaroid film.

I understand why Fuji eventually will stop production of FP-100 Polaroid film because it's business model requires the efficient scale of full production and volume to make profits, but CatLabs and Ferrania are boutique manufacturers that can make it work on a smaller scale.

I know that one day I will be able to shoot CatLab's 400 ISO B&W dual emulsion film in 120. Might they make 4x5 or 70mm?

Eventually Ferrania will offer P30 in 120, and then in 4x5. BTW this film uses mucho silver for great tonality.

Last night I set up my two black CINE's as 2x3's for 645 and 6x7.

Cal
 
Nokton48 said:
I got a private message from Robert Vonk "Fotohuis"
He's on holiday right now but he's wanting to contribute to this thread.
He has a lot of first hand knowledge to contribute. Has beautiful technique with Rollei 400S.



Also Freestyle called me back today, they can special order 70mm Rollei 400S directly from Rollei in Germany.
Price is $129 per roll, no minimums. Order must be placed by August 18th. October delivery.
Might be of interest to someone here. 🙂
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Very intresting, I have actually contemplated going direct to maco andf asking for an order of 80S as this is my goto film. I get paid from my job I started on monday at the end of this month and have my eyes on some magazines for the hassy however still no source for cassettes apart form the odd one on ebay.
 
Jake Mongey said:
Very intresting, I have actually contemplated going direct to maco andf asking for an order of 80S as this is my goto film. I get paid from my job I started on monday at the end of this month and have my eyes on some magazines for the hassy however still no source for cassettes apart form the odd one on ebay.
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Hey Jake! Congrats on getting the job 🙂

If you go to Maco let us know what they say.........
 
I have sent an email to macodirect.de requesting a PAYPAL invoice.
I am ordering two rolls of 70mm Rollei 400S, and ten rolls of Rollei 120 400S.

Awaiting their response. 🙂
 
Here is one from Fotohuis, which I pulled from the internet.
Rollei 400S developed in A74 Rollei, he says you can get ISO 200.
That will work for me. And interesting tonality, different from Ilford & Kodak.


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I just successfully transmitted a small order to Macodirect.

The program removed the VAT, so two rolls of 70mm 400S are 73.95 Euros each.
Shipping was 21.85 Euros (guess USA does have to pay shipping!)

Order total was 169.75 Euros.
With conversion to Dollars, that is $206.44 out the door.

So a roll of 70mm Rollei 400S to USA will cost you $103.22 USA per roll.
That is the bottom line.
 
Nokton48 said:
I just successfully transmitted a small order to Macodirect.

The program removed the VAT, so two rolls of 70mm 400S are 73.95 Euros each.
Shipping was 21.85 Euros (guess USA does have to pay shipping!)

Order total was 169.75 Euros.
With conversion to Dollars, that is $206.44 out the door.

So a roll of 70mm Rollei 400S to USA will cost you $103.22 USA per roll.
That is the bottom line.
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Dan,

Thanks for the update.

32.5 inches of film equals the length of a roll of 120. If I divide 1200 inches (100 feet times 12 to get inches) by 32.5 I get 36.92 rolls of 120 equiv.

The cost per 120 equiv equals $2.78 if I round up the 36.92 to an even 37 rolls. Don't forget there will be some bonus frames.

I love the cost. Also know only 2 liters of developer are required to cover a 15 foot reel, so there is also some savings on developer. I figure if I had to develop 6 rolls of 120 I would need three liters of developer.

This is definitely a step towards shooting medium format like 35mm.

Cal
 
I received an email from from Macodirect today.

They tell me they have several hundred rolls of Rollei 70mm 400S in stock right now.
Freestyle tells me that as far as they know, Rollei will have this film available for the forseeable future. That is good news.

Quantity pricing is available. Sort of the B&H of Germany 🙂
 
Nokton48 said:
I received an email from from Macodirect today.

They tell me they have several hundred rolls of Rollei 70mm 400S in stock right now.
Freestyle tells me that as far as they know, Rollei will have this film available for the forseeable future. That is good news.

Quantity pricing is available. Sort of the B&H of Germany 🙂
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Dan,

Thanks for the update. I surely will be bulking up with quantity.

For now I bought another 5 pack of Rollie 400S in 120. For me going 120 for testing is easiest. I bought some DDX and will test using 1+4 dilution. I will be getting some Rollie Supergain also.

Cal
 
Rollei Supergrain or Amaloco AM74 in 1+9 is a good combi for the Rollei retro 400S/Superpan 200/Aviphot (Agfa Gevaert).
However iso 160 only. The film is also excellent for B&W slide processing @iso 125. I have used the Klaus Wehner reverse kit (Paderborn, Germany) with great succes. The film is cutted from the same master roll Aviphot 200 E1 / 100um for 70mm, 120 roll film and 35mm which means a bit to thin for 35mm so you must transport only when making the picture . Rollei/Maco is using a bit thicker filt material in the cassette however this clear Polyester film base is prone for the light piping effect. It also has extended Red sensitivity.
 
Thanks Robert!

I've got two rolls of 70mm Rollei 400S coming from Germany. About a three week (slow) delivery. Way faster with UPS (four day delivery) but about twice the shipping cost. I decided on the slow shipping. I'm in no hurry, I've got plenty of 70mm film of all kinds.
 
I have from my Fotohuis the delivery of 135-36, bulk 30,5m/100ft and 120 rol film format.
Alternative the Rollei retro 80S/Aviphot E1 however iso 50 only. Also extended Red sensitivity.

This film is even more hard for a good development. Supergrain/AM74 1+15 or Rollei Low Contrast RLC/Film Low Gamma (Raffay) 1+4.
 
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