70mm Film FUN up ahead

Dan,

I scored a third 6x7 CINE, so now I have three 6x7 CINE's, and one is the 645 CINE. Know that in the end only two have the 6x9 Graflok back.

I won the CINE with three Linhof 70mm Cassetes and a spare spool, so I will have 9 full cassetes.

But the big prize is a Kindermann 70mm loader (non daylight) that will speed up loading. No counter, but it will make spooling bulk film in a changing bag easy.

I do like the look of 400S in Diafine 4+4 at 160 ISO. Really great for high key lighting, bright summer sun, and when it is mucho high contrast.

DDX is really nice at 9 minutes for 400S at 125 ISO. Better for diffused lighting, cloudy, and for when lighting and contrast is not so intense.

Cal
 
Calzone said:
But the big prize is a Kindermann 70mm loader (non daylight) that will speed up loading. No counter, but it will make spooling bulk film in a changing bag easy.
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Cal,

Very nice scores indeed. I'd like to have one of those Kindermann Film Loaders myself.
Any chance you could get someone to take a picture of it? I've never seen one.

I'm powering through my first roll of 70mm Rollei 400s. I now have a short-end of Agfa Aviphot 200 PE1 (same as 400s I think!) loaded in the Kindermann. I may try the Rollei Supergrain with that.

I like DDX myself but I've always used it with high speed 35mm like Delta 3200 or Fuji 1600
 
Nokton48 said:
Cal,

Very nice scores indeed. I'd like to have one of those Kindermann Film Loaders myself.
Any chance you could get someone to take a picture of it? I've never seen one.

I'm powering through my first roll of 70mm Rollei 400s. I now have a short-end of Agfa Aviphot 200 PE1 (same as 400s I think!) loaded in the Kindermann. I may try the Rollei Supergrain with that.

I like DDX myself but I've always used it with high speed 35mm likie Delta 3200 or Fuji 1600
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Dan,

I have not received my goods from France yet, but when I do I can e-mail you some pictures. I never saw one either, but because I intend on exploiting Rollie 400S in bulk I decided to run with the ball. PM me your e-mail. If you want you can then post them.

I figured out that 8 minutes in DDX is good for Tri-X at 400 ISO, Delta 400 at 400 ISO, HP5 at 320 ISO, FP4 at 50 ISO, Delta 320 at 1600 ISO. I like being able to reinforce my my reputation for being a lazy slacker by being clever. I love comparing films from a "mixed tank." I think you can do Pan F at 50 ISO also for 8 minutes, so there are 6 films to impress you friends with and prove you are a little crazy. I have kitted up the first five film for my mixed tank experiment. It would be great if all five were wonderful, but realize that I'm just using the times off the MDC that correlate to 8 minutes 20 degrees C.

So what that only get 125 ISO with 400S in DDX dipped for 9 minutes. Looks really smooth and detailed. If anything I might increase the time a bit. So having two 6x9 Graflock backed CINE's will be key to my style. I'll have one back for high contrast, high key, lighting where I will want a compensating effect; and a second CINE for cloudy, diffused, overcast or low contrast where I want to exploit the punch of 400S with its IR extension for additional contrast.

Out of my two baby Linhof's I think the beefy Tech V with the 53/4.5 Biogon will be my most dominant camera. Having 9 working cassettes is about what I need for 540 6x7 exposures that I can do in just three tanks. That's the equiv of 54 rolls of 120. LOL.

Cal
 
Another good option for storing developed rolls of 70mm film, are the thousand foot long rolls of vinyl and acetate 70mm sleeving.
There are several different kinds on Ebay right now. This method would work well if you wanted to store the negs in a box.
 
I just finished processing a short end (about a 220 length) of the (not Aero) Kodak 70mm Plus-X Pan film, which expired in 1981. I processed the film in straight Freestyle Legacy Mic-X (which I replenish and the stock solution is nearly five years old!). Twenty-five minutes spinning in a JOBO Multitank 6, with the help of a Unicolor Uniroller. The film has lost some speed (and some of that is the Microdol), but the base is absolutely clear, no detectible fogging, the film has good D-Max and no damage to the emulsion. This is great news because I have about seven one hundred foot rolls of this stock that were given to me along with some darkroom stuff years ago. I'll examine the film more after it has finished washing and drying. Then I'll post a few images here. Old 70mm film is usually a viable way to produce some very decent images. Gosh I do love the tonality of the old original Plus-X in a Microdol-type developer. I bracketed at EI 125, EI 64, and EI 32 and these look really really lovely. Next I will load a fifteen foot cartridge of the same film in order to get the full seventy exposures.

I would say that this is a total success so far.


70mm Kodak Plus X by Nokton48, on Flickr
 
Here are the two sheets of 70mm Plus-X Pan (expired 1981) developed in Mic-X. The page on the right, was inverted, so that you can see all of the image area on the lightbox. These images were made with s Hasselblad 500C/M with 100mm F3.5 T* Planar, and Hasselblad 70mm A70 Film Magazine. Key light exposures were 1/125 at F11, F8, and F5.6 As you can see, the EI 125 exposure is a little bit thin, but could be usuable, but the EI 64 exposure has really good shadow detail. And the EI 32 has even better shadow detail yet the highlights are not blown out (most likely due to the Microdol). So I think I will use Ei 64 with this combo, sometimes bracketing to EI 32, if I want to give myself a choice of negs to wet ptint. So this film is quite usuable. Amazing how old Plus-X is usually still good even after many years of frozen storage.

DSC05895 by Nokton48, on Flickr
 
A simple test setup; 70mm Plus-X Pan (expired 1981) Legacy Mic-X.
Sunlit leaves in my backyard, on a key day (pure sun).
Hasselblad 500 C/M, 100mm Zeiss T* Planar, A70 Film Magazine.
This is the EI 125 frame, which seems to scan OK.
For wet printing, I will want a "beefier" neg with more shadow detail,
so for that prupose, I would select the EI 64, or even the EI 32 neg.
I prefer to give myself a choice, so I usually bracket a set, especially when trying a new to me film.

This is the far bottom frame, in the extreme lower right corner, from the negs above ^^^

70mm Plus-X Pan Mic-X EI 125 by Nokton48, on Flickr
 
Nokton48 said:
A simple test setup; 70mm Plus-X Pan (expired 1981) Legacy Mic-X.
Sunlit leaves in my backyard, on a key day (pure sun).
Hasselblad 500 C/M, 100mm Zeiss T* Planar, A70 Film Magazine.
This is the EI 125 frame, which seems to scan OK.
For wet printing, I will want a "beefier" neg with more shadow detail,
so for that prupose, I would select the EI 64, or even the EI 32 neg.
I prefer to give myself a choice, so I usually bracket a set, especially when trying a new to me film.

This is the far bottom frame, in the extreme lower right corner, from the negs above ^^^

70mm Plus-X Pan Mic-X EI 125 by Nokton48, on Flickr
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Dan,

I am right with you with adding exposure for enhanced shadow detail. Film speeds I find rated too high to my eye for wet printing. Also especially in larger negatives it is less about contrast and more about tonal range.

Mids are really important to me.

Cal
 
A fellow over on Apug says he used to have a major stash of 70mm Plus-X (same emulsion as mine) and he tried every developer he could think of (most of the stuff mentioned here) and he decided the best of the best was DK-50. DK-50 was my favorite developer back in the seventies, when I was doing a lot of 35mm press photography.

Well I just found my stash of DK-50. This stuff was made to go in Kodak 3 1/2 gallon deep tanks. Now all I need is some DK-50 Replenisher. I bought all this for $2 each when our local shop was closing.............

DSC05898 by Nokton48, on Flickr
 
I've been extremely busy this week, but I just finished developing about 12 feet of Agfa Aviphot 200 PEI 70mm film, in my 70mm Kindermann tank. Here it is washing:

DSC05899 (1) by Nokton48, on Flickr

It's an old roll that been loaded for years. I processed it in Rollei Supergrain Developer, using four and a half ounces of the concentrate, to make seventy ounces of working solution. That's about 1:15 which I did for economic reasons, this stuff is $23 a bottle. I developed for fourteen minutes at 68F, agitating the Kindermann five times every minute. That's totally a guess but per the instructions on the bottle. Aviphot 200 PEI is supposed to be the same as Rollei 400s. We will see.......... The negs are hanging, and WOW they are beautiful. This is a great film/developer combo, I really like the beefy looking negatives. When they are dry tomorrow, I will try to scan a few and post them here. So, another 70mm success in my opinion. Speed is close to what I expected, I will let you know. This is a supposed to be a highly compensating developer that brings out full emulsion speed.


One thing I have learned (this is only my second 70mm roll through the Kindermann), is that it takes about a full minute to fill the tank. You have to be real careful to not have it spill out all over the place. I ended up pouring slowly and using a funnel to fill the tank. Not so good for quick development.

The developer poured out a lovely cherry pink color............

So it's about Five bucks a roll to do fifteen feet of 70mm in Rollei Supergrain. That is acceptable to me.
 
Here's a 70mm Agfa Aviphot 200 PE1 neg, processed in Rollei Supergrain, at approx EI 100 or so.

Aviphot 200 Supergrain 100 EI by Nokton48, on Flickr

The camera shown is one of my Plaubel Makiflexes, with barrel mounted 360mm Schneider Tele-Xenar. The film back is a Beatty Coleman, which will take up to one hundred feet of perforated or unperforated 70mm film, and produces a 6x9cm negative. Probably made for school camera photography. This will also fit my Sinars.

This is an old image, cause I sold the old old Tele-Xenar and replaced it with a much nicer 60s vintage chrome one. Better match to what I am fitting it to.
 
Here are some of the negs i just processed. Agfa Aviphot 70mm PE1 film. Shot at EI 200, EI 100, and EI 50. Processed normally in Rollei Supergrain 1:15 14 minutes at 20C The scan above ^^ is from the middle negative (left strip), about EI 100 or so This film is supposed to be the same as the 70mm Rollei 400s available fresh from Macodirect.de I am presently shooting 70mm Rollei 400s and 70mm Kodak WL Surveillance film. WL Surveillance reminds me a lot of 70s Tri-X. Or maybe Double-X 5222 which is my main 35mm film

DSC05901 by Nokton48, on Flickr

This film has a lot of CURL to it. I tape it into the scanner neg holder and stretch it tight as possible.

This film has a very interesting tonality. About 180 degree polar opposite from old vintage Plus-X in Mic-X
 
Dan,

My testing was with Rollie 400S in 120 as my short roll. I used Ilford DDX 1+4 for 9 minutes initially for my first test. I got a film speed about 100-125 ISO that looked best. 160 ISO made less dense negatives. I plan on increasing the time to 10 minutes to add some density. My negatives also looked great.

Ilford DDX is $17.95 a liter and 1+4 looks really good. For economy and for a compensating effect I will also try diluted development and extending the time. DDX looks to be the cheap liquid developer for 100-125 ISO with Rollie 400S.

Another reason why I am willing to invest the time to make DDX work for me is because at 8 minutes time I can likely do a mixed tank of Delta 400 at 400 ISO; Tri-X at 400 ISO; HP5 at 320 ISO; Delta 3200 at 1600 ISO; and FP4 at 50 ISO. Call me a lazy slacker. LOL.

I finally got my shipment from France. The 70mm bulk loader is awesome. Came with a brown 4x5 CINE and extra cassettes. The CINE was boxed and included instructions from 1966 that showed another type of Kindermann 70mm loader that is illustrated with your Kindermann tank and reel. In these instructions this, I presume earlier bulk loaded also shows how the loader is utilized to aid as a fixture to also load a development reel. Interesting how the short tab on stainless steel Kindermann reels is used as a crank to load a development reel.

On my bulk loader the shaft is too thick to mount a reel to use as a fixture. Since you have the Kindermann reel and tank, I say this bulk loader that is illustrated in the 1966 CINE instructions would be your dream come true.

I have been way too busy with NYC Fashion Week, but over the weekend I promise to take some shots to e-mail you Monday.

Cal
 
"I can likely do a mixed tank of Delta 400 at 400 ISO; Tri-X at 400 ISO; HP5 at 320 ISO; Delta 3200 at 1600 ISO; and FP4 at 50 ISO. Call me a lazy slacker. LOL."

Cal,
I do exactly the same thing, except I am am using Legacy Mic-X for 25 minutes (too long to agitate by hand!) on a Unicolor Uniroller with a Jobo Multi Tank 6. All kinds of mixed films and it works just fine for me.
-Dan
 
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