cabbiinc
Slightly Irregular
For Windows users take a look at Corel Paintshop Pro as an alternative to PS and Corel Aftershot Pro as an alternative to Lightroom. I've heard Corel Draw is even more capable than Paintshop Pro, but it's close to $500.
Ranchu
Veteran
So Bob if you have 197 pictures you've been working on, 10 layers on each or so, without paying rent to Adobe you lose all access to opening them. Right, Bob? They're ****ing parasites, Bob.
GaryLH
Veteran
Pretty good writeup from a pissed off user.
http://photographylife.com/adobe-cr...um=rss&utm_campaign=adobe-creative-cloud-fail
Gary
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Gary
Keith
The best camera is one that still works!
Surely Adobe aren't stupid ... they must be paying attention to internet chatter about this?
If they don't react in some way I'd be surprised!
If they don't react in some way I'd be surprised!
ReeRay
Well-known
They will have anticipated the reactions. That's a given.
I fear that in the interim they will ignore the chatter and only a significant failure of subscribers to the new subscription arrangement will cause a U turn or re-think.
Time will tell
Ranchu
Veteran
Bob Michaels
nobody special
Not true. My current copy of Photoshop will continue to work just as it always has even if I never pay Adobe another dime.
Bob Michaels
nobody special
I think we may be overemphasizing our importance to Adobe. We are a very small part of their Photoshop user base. Companies pay attention to sales dollars, not internet chatter. Adobe is projecting an overall sales increase of 10% and their track record forecasting sales is excellent.
ReeRay
Well-known
As you state Bob " it depends". It depends on any future Windows/Mac OS upgrades recognizing the "old" Photoshop version.
Keith
The best camera is one that still works!
True ... but in my limited roaming of the web I am seeing a lot of negativity aimed at Adobe via Facebook, here, other forums, blogs etc. I don't use photoshop and have little interest in it but the situation has caught my attention purely by virtue of the frequency with which I'm enountering it. The web and social media is very powerful and can't be underestimated!
willie_901
Veteran
This is the key point. Eventually your 0S will no longer support non-CC Adobe products. Then you have to keep an old computer around just to use PS.
Thus could be as long as 5 years down the road... or it could be shorter. If your legacy computer dies, then you have to find another old, computer to stay live with PSD files.
Bob Michaels
nobody special
Keith: nothing personal, please understand. But you are the classic example of why vendors pay attention to sales dollars and not internet postings. You are posting but never bought the product and do not intend to.
Bob Michaels
nobody special
Willie: you have a valid point. Someday down the road I will find it beneficial to upgrade to a CC version of PS. Then, instead of paying a $199 upgrade fee, I will send Adobe $240 to prepay the next years fees. Then I will have no internet connectivity with Adobe for a year. And I probably will repeat that every year.
MCTuomey
Veteran
Inevitable I guess that I'll be on CC, unless I die fairly soon, never change to an (new) unsupported camera, my computer never fails, or I just abandon Adobe. Owning software with the expectation that it'll be useful for long is like holding water in your hand anyway. Ergo the lease concept. We no longer "buy" software, we pay to access it because over the long haul it's a service, not a thing. Buying software is a misnomer anyway, it's only a license agreement good until the next necessary upgrade, effectively renting the application for a year or two or three.
bensyverson
Well-known
The internet's default emotion is outrage, so it's no surprise that there's an uproar about this. Adobe's had a full year to see whether people would sign up for CC, and half a million have. Surely more will now that it's the only option.
They've been building towards this—methodically—since 2009... I guarantee a few angry forum posts will not make them flinch.
They've been building towards this—methodically—since 2009... I guarantee a few angry forum posts will not make them flinch.
bobbyrab
Well-known
I'm not saying your wrong Bob, the likelihood is a company the size of Adobe will have this well researched and their course carefully plotted, however it wouldn't be the first time a company such as this had got it wrong. Apple's recent dropping of google maps from the last iPhone update for example with the subsequent u-turn.
I'd also like to know who do actually make up the bulk of PS users, I'd be very surprised if the enormous number of self employed photographers and graphic artists don't account for a substantial percentage of the users. Personally I know about ten working photographers all bar one with a paid copy of PS.
How many large businesses are there with a need for PS. Enough to make all those self employed photographers statistically insignificant? I actually doubt that.
The other assumption we are making is it's a given it will succeed as they've already signed up half a million subscribers, but we know the new model is actually cheaper for those people/businesses who actually make use of the whole suite of titles, so it shouldn't be any surprise that they've embraced the new model, it's a great deal for them, but you could also ask the question why have the majority of Adobe's customer base not voluntarily signed up this already if it was a better deal for them.
Finally of those ten PS users that I know, none of them will find this new model advantageous, just far more costly.
sepiareverb
genius and moron
Not completely. They will open in CS6, but not everything from CC is supported by CS6.
And both iPhoto and Preview can open psd files, so everything is good.
ebolton
Number 7614
I've been on CS5, and after reading thru this thread, angry reactions onFB and other places, and a long time looking at the details on Adobe.com, I signed up for the full suite 1 year. It isn't really a wholly bad deal, as long as you use a few of the aps occasionally at least. I do wish you could just keep the aps unsupported and un-upgraded after the year. Everybody needs to do the research and make their own call. Personally, I can't stand GIMP. It seems to be created more for nerds than creators.
bensyverson
Well-known
I think you'd be surprised. Photoshop is not primarily a photography tool anymore... It's used in dozens of industries. Whether you're looking at a print ad, a website or a visual effects shot in a movie, odds are Photoshop was used in at least one stage of production. Here's Adobe's promotional list of who uses Photoshop.
This response from Adobe is worth reading. Particularly this quote:
That pretty much says it all. They saw this coming, because they know that Photoshop is overkill for most photographers. Lightroom does everything you need for photo, and lets you get it done faster because the interface is more streamlined. If you haven't seen the local adjustments, they're amazing. They're like layer masks but much, much better.
ShinX414
camera geek
@ Bob michaels,
no, it's downloaded and installed on your hard drive so you can use it offline too. You need to have access to the internet at least once in 30days to renew your license.
The did say that for annual subscription the time limit will be increased up to 99 days and they plan to extend it to 180 days.
no, it's downloaded and installed on your hard drive so you can use it offline too. You need to have access to the internet at least once in 30days to renew your license.
The did say that for annual subscription the time limit will be increased up to 99 days and they plan to extend it to 180 days.