Adobe taking the p**s

[raid]

As an FYI - this impacts Photoshop and other CS (Creative Suite) items but NOT Lightroom (not that this endears people to Adobe but just thought I would clarify before someone threw out the Lightroom with the bathwater 😀 )

Cheers,
Dave

I am about to buy LR4, so this is good to know Dave.
In fact, I am still unsure why we must shoot in DNG if we are not reselling prints.

 

[Murchu]

I am about to buy LR4, so this is good to know Dave.

Just a headsup about LR5 being right around the corner, given the LR5 beta just recently released..

 

[willie_901]

Fred, must the Adobe CC programs be used as cloud applications? Or, will they run without being connected to the internet?

Bob,

If I understand the details, certain computationally intensive, sophisticated, new features only work when you are connected to the Internet. I think this is because the actual calculations are done on very fast parallel computer arrays located at Adobe's server farms. I think the new camera blur removal tool is the first such feature. Adobe says they plan to develop similar computationally demanding features. I am not implying that the existing PS functionality will ever be computed in the Cloud.

I apologize if I mis-stated any of these details.

 

[sepiareverb]

Willie: you have a valid point. Someday down the road I will find it beneficial to upgrade to a CC version of PS. Then, instead of paying a $199 upgrade fee, I will send Adobe $240 to prepay the next years fees. Then I will have no internet connectivity with Adobe for a year. And I probably will repeat that every year.

Then you'll only get to use CC for a short part of the year. It must connect monthly, and if it cannot you are locked out. But then just go back to your CS6 and see how all those new tools & algorithms won't render in CS6.

Perhaps CC actually stands for Credit Card?...

 

[raid]

Just a headsup about LR5 being right around the corner, given the LR5 beta just recently released..

I will wait then. There is no rush.

 

[Murchu]

I will wait then. There is no rush.

Yes, might be best to hold off if you're not in a rush, as no point in buying 4, and then seeing 5 come out a month or two later. If you're new to lightroom, could be a good opportunity to download the beta, and get to grips with lightroom, before then plunking down your cash for a full version. I'm not sure if the beta catalogues can be updated to proper LR5 catalogues, so may be looking up if that is the case, if intending to use the beta as more than a lightroom learning tool.

 

[bensyverson]

Bob,

If I understand the details, certain computationally intensive, sophisticated, new features only work when you are connected to the Internet. I think this is because the actual calculations are done on very fast parallel computer arrays located at Adobe's server farms. I think the new camera blur removal tool is the first such feature. Adobe says they plan to develop similar computationally demanding features. I am not implying that the existing PS functionality will ever be computed in the Cloud.

I apologize if I mis-stated any of these details.

100% false... Just completely made up.

 

[Ronald M]

Currently use PS only, CS6. Upgrade is $200 every 18 months and that works out to 11monthly. Now they want $20 monthly. And you have to pay every month for the rest of your life or your software dies. You have not even bought the right to use it for price doubling.

This is monopoly power at its best. There is nothing in it to justify price doubling no matter how they try to sugar coat it. The real reason is investors like to see a predictable flow of cash and that would be fine by me at $200 for 18 months. But that is not the offer. Shame as it was the best out there.

Adobe can stuff it where the sun don`t shine.

 

[sepiareverb]

100% false... Just completely made up.

That remains unclear. From the Adobe CC Letter:

One of the implications of this is that many of the new features in our CC applications require access to Creative Cloud, as will many of the updates we are planning for the future.

Tho the FAQ says you do not need to be connected, the statement above seems vague.

 

[bensyverson]

That remains unclear. From the Adobe CC Letter:



Tho the FAQ says you do not need to be connected, the statement above seems vague.

That quote is referring to the networking features of Creative Cloud (such as document sharing, backup, and other internet-y features). It does not in any way refer to core application functionality.

 

[sepiareverb]

That quote is referring to the networking features of Creative Cloud (such as document sharing, backup, and other internet-y features). It does not in any way refer to core application functionality.

Nor does it rule that out. I'd agree that it doesn't seem that way, but it is worded vaguely.

 

[Bob Michaels]

Thanks. Actually I knew that answer but wanted to hear it from the person who went off talking about the security issues of the cloud. I did think that if you prepaid for one year that you did not have to check in with Adobe more frequently than that. But checking in does not seem to any problem for 99.9% of us.

@ Bob michaels,

no, it's downloaded and installed on your hard drive so you can use it offline too. You need to have access to the internet at least once in 30days to renew your license.
The did say that for annual subscription the time limit will be increased up to 99 days and they plan to extend it to 180 days.

 

[bensyverson]

Nor does it rule that out. I'd agree that it doesn't seem that way, but it is worded vaguely.

It's just poorly written, not deliberately vague. Why would they have a non-network feature require the internet?

I get that people are angry, but there's no point in getting upset about hypothetical things Adobe might potentially do in the future.

 

[Ranchu]

Not true. My current copy of Photoshop will continue to work just as it always has even if I never pay Adobe another dime.

Unless your current copy is this CC sh!t, if you edit and save any of them with that, you have to pay Adobe to use your own file from then on forever. It's just blood sucking rent seeking, Bob.

 

[Ranchu]

I get that people are angry, but there's no point in getting upset about hypothetical things Adobe might potentially do in the future.

Sure there is, Ben, because the probability is, once they've got you by the balls they'll squeeze them. And then again some more, if you hang around.

Yes?

 

[ebolton]

I think this is potentially true ONLY if you are using the Adobe proprietary PSD and DNG formats. I never do and never would. Might as well keep my Canon raw files as CR2s since I'd be just as reliant on Adobe at that point as I would be on Canon. I stick with truly neutral formats: TIF and JPG, and encourage everybody else to do the same.

Unless your current copy is this CC sh!t, if you edit and save any of them with that, you have to pay Adobe to use your own file from then on forever. It's just blood sucking rent seeking, Bob.

 

[3rdtrick]

... there is often a misunderstanding as to the objectives that directors of joint-stock companies peruse, and what their companies exist to make ... Adobe are not in business to make software, they are in business to make money for their shareholders ... and have a statuary duty to do just that.

And they can make it on someone else other than me! I do not have a duty to pay their stockholders.

 

[bensyverson]

Sure there is, Ben, because the probability is, once they've got you by the balls they'll squeeze them. And then again some more, if you hang around.

Yes?

You're asking me? To me it sounds like self-indulgent paranoia.

I don't mean any offense. I just can't allow myself that luxury. I have enough things to worry about which are actually happening in the present.

 

[Ranchu]

You're asking me? To me it sounds like self-indulgent paranoia.

I don't mean any offense. I just can't allow myself that luxury. I have enough things to worry about which are actually happening in the present.

Too late to worry then, no offense. And there's nothing wrong with self indulgence.

 

[bensyverson]

I think this is potentially true ONLY if you are using the Adobe proprietary PSD and DNG formats. I never do and never would. Might as well keep my Canon raw files as CR2s since I'd be just as reliant on Adobe at that point as I would be on Canon. I stick with truly neutral formats: TIF and JPG, and encourage everybody else to do the same.

DNG and PSD are both publicly documented standards: in fact DNG is recommended by the LoC for archival use.

Be careful with TIFF. TIFF is more of a storage container than a file format. If you save a TIFF with "layers" in Adobe, you're basically saving a PSD which is stuffed into a TIFF. Another app will be able to read the flattened composite, but probably not the layers.