Adobe taking the p**s

I do understand why people who currently own the CSx software might be hacked off. it is just that after years in the software industry I see see how SAAS and more frequent updates wit a subscription service model could actually be an improvement over waiting for the next update under the current software as a product model. Especially if you update cameras frequently. The issue is at what monthly price do you balk at subscribing. Personally, I don't want to go over $10 a month for anything...
 
PKR said:
The bottom line is, for most Adobe users, there are other options - screw Adobe..

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Dear Adobe; The bottom line is, for most Adobe users, there are other options - screw YOU!
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Not yet for graphic design professionals, there isn't. Nobody is going back to quark.
 
PKR said:
If the design community can live for a year on CS6 without an upgrade - can Adobe (stock holders) live for a year without the expected money stream from CS upgrades and a lot of bad mouthing from formerly happy customers?
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Well, they have over 500,000 customers paying monthly, so... yes.
 
PKR said:
If that's the case, the unhappy design customers are screwed - or it seems so.

I guess this is what happens when there are no competitive alternatives?
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so you think 500k subscribers at $30-$50 a month is enough to keep the shareholders of a company with a market capitalisation of over 22 billion happy then?
 
The problem for some of us - aside from the principle of owning* rather than renting the software we use - is the fact that the new system makes it much harder for people whose income varies over time. To illustrate with my case, I normally earn a pretty good income but with my latest kid I decided to take a much longer paternity leave - and by the end of the ten months my cash was running pretty low.
With the standard business model, I'd just be able to wait before upgrading, or just skip versions as others have said. With CC I'd need to just grit my teeth and keep paying, or risk losing access to the files which have proprietary alterations.

That last point is the key for me: SaaS - software as a service - shouldn't lock my own assets into a proprietary format. SaaS is usually there to aid businesses and individuals to maximize some particular utility in their own assets. But hardly any of them lock those customer-owned assets into a form that can't be retrieved if the business or individual leaves the system. The customer loses the service but not their own assets. That's what's wrong with this move by Adobe. Once you're in the system and you've made changes to your images that other psd interpreters can't translate, then you're locked in forever - whatever the future price that Adobe decides to charge you.


*I know that technically we only own a licence to use the software, rather than the software itself, but we all know what I mean here.
 
mani said:
That's what's wrong with this move by Adobe. Once you're in the system and you've made changes to your images that other psd interpreters can't translate, then you're locked in forever - whatever the future price that Adobe decides to charge you.
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Exactly! Same with Lightroom. I use my own storage schema - I don't need a database to find my files. I feel pretty secure that I can keep control of the original content. But the work I do in post to the files is locked up in the Lightroom database. If LR were to go subscription I would drop it in a flash for this very reason. (Pun not intended.)
 
mani said:
The problem for some of us - aside from the principle of owning* rather than renting the software we use - is the fact that the new system makes it much harder for people whose income varies over time. To illustrate with my case, I normally earn a pretty good income but with my latest kid I decided to take a much longer paternity leave - and by the end of the ten months my cash was running pretty low.
With the standard business model, I'd just be able to wait before upgrading, or just skip versions as others have said. With CC I'd need to just grit my teeth and keep paying, or risk losing access to the files which have proprietary alterations.

That last point is the key for me: SaaS - software as a service - shouldn't lock my own assets into a proprietary format. SaaS is usually there to aid businesses and individuals to maximize some particular utility in their own assets. But hardly any of them lock those customer-owned assets into a form that can't be retrieved if the business or individual leaves the system. The customer loses the service but not their own assets. That's what's wrong with this move by Adobe. Once you're in the system and you've made changes to your images that other psd interpreters can't translate, then you're locked in forever - whatever the future price that Adobe decides to charge you.


*I know that technically we only own a licence to use the software, rather than the software itself, but we all know what I mean here.
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I just had to highlight this.... THIS IS A BIG DEAL!!!!!...... And Wrong in their business model!!!!!
 
PKR said:
PS / CS is not the only Adobe product. Adobe Air is huge. Their db software and PDF income is big too. So, not knowing what the % are - got me!
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No me neither ... but

First they came for the designers,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a designer.

Then they came for lightroom,
and I didn't speak out ...

... oh hang on, yep I'm a designer and oddly I'm speaking out ... it's the thin edge of a very slippery slope imo
 
PKR said:
I agree. The Graphic Design community are the clients of many photographers. I don't want any of my work or personal images out of my control. Nothing is safer (for me and my clients) than my custody (my computers and my storage) of images that I own or own in partnership with those I work for.
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What is this referring to? With CC your documents stay on your hard drive, the same as it's been since 1988.
 
bensyverson said:
Nothing has changed in CC vs CS6, except the payment model. Your documents stay on your hard drive. They never go to Adobe's servers. The "cloud" is really a red herring.
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That's a red herring, right? Explain how you can open files you've edited with the CC thing if you stop paying Adobe. You can't because you can't. Seems like a big change to me, Ben. It's not 'nothing'.
 
recon prices for old but legit Photoshop copies will remain firm from now on, especially newer ones (4-6). even if they cannot open newer camera raw's after a while (because ACR gets outdated), Lightroom can and wont be yet as part of new charging model.
 
I'm a bit peeved because I don't use photoshop for post processing but I always liked printing from it ... and lost the old version on my PC when it had a melt down recently!

I think I may have been prepared to part with the readies for free standing software but the cloud is not an option for me.
 
PKR said:
Can't you convert in LR and import into CS? I do this all the time. My LR version is much newer than the CS/PS I use. I've (almost) quit using Bridge since I began using LR.
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Yup that's what I meant. LR keeps old PS versions going, even if they would be obsolete as standalone.
 
Al Patterson said:
And BTW, Gillette does quite well giving away razor handles and selling the blades...
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And they are holding your freshly shaven face hostage because the whiskers will return unless you keep paying Gillette! :angel:

(On a side note, I ditched the $1 per shave whisker rippers and went back to the old safety blades. I'm about 2.5 years into my 10 year stash of blades I bought for $16. Plus, my worst shave now is better than the best shave I had before. I think it is time to fire up the old 840AV. ;) )
 
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