Fotohuis
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Silvermax is a one end production. These basic materials from Agfa Gevaert are ended now.
Available in 35mm only and within a year finished in stock.
Available in 35mm only and within a year finished in stock.
ADOX Silvermax + Rodinal 1:50 samples
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JPSuisse
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Hmm. Ok, well that means that I can't standardize on that film... Damn, buyer be ware!
k__43
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nooo .. damnit. I thought this will be my goto film when APX100 isn't available anymore. 😱
I've read that they tried a new coating process of an older APX100 formula. Damn you internet rumors.
I just tried one roll and like it very much. I shot it at 100 and developed it in a tank with APX100 in Rodinal 1+25 (I usually go 1+50, but for some reason I did that this day).
My feeling is that if you use the time for APX100 silvermax will turn out a tiny bit too thin, so I think I'd shoot it at 80 then.
BUT it will scan very well anyway because of the clear base (in regards to the shadows), I've not tried to print it.
HHPhoto
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That is nonsense, Robert.
Honestly, you don't do yourself a favour spreading lies on the internet about your competitors. Or about Maco.
Same with this "Kentmere = RPX" nonsense.
Yes it is one production run so far, but enough material for the next 5 years.
And then it can be evaluated whether it is financially viable to coat this film again.
And by the way, it is a very good film.
Much much better than the crap from Fotokemika with permanent QC issues you have promoted.
Cheers, Jan
Fotohuis
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RPX 400 is a special production run by Harman for Rollei- Maco.
And if Impex has made a single production run of Silvermax 35mm for more then 5 years sales worldwide it would be a stupid action. Not for any expiration date, but pre-paid all materials for at least so many master rolls it would be a destruction of money over such a long period.
The same Silvermax is already put in cine film cassettes to have any reasonable sales of this, indeed interesting, emulsion.
If they have done a good job in estimated sales amount, you can only hope this film is sold out within maybe two years.
Putting any new film in the actual market is very risky.
Even Ilford/Harman is happy that so far they can continue their whole line of films, and I can tell you that Pan F+ is under sales pressure.
And if Impex has made a single production run of Silvermax 35mm for more then 5 years sales worldwide it would be a stupid action. Not for any expiration date, but pre-paid all materials for at least so many master rolls it would be a destruction of money over such a long period.
The same Silvermax is already put in cine film cassettes to have any reasonable sales of this, indeed interesting, emulsion.
If they have done a good job in estimated sales amount, you can only hope this film is sold out within maybe two years.
Putting any new film in the actual market is very risky.
Even Ilford/Harman is happy that so far they can continue their whole line of films, and I can tell you that Pan F+ is under sales pressure.
Pirate
Guitar playing Fotografer
Sales pressure meaning.... people need to buy more Pan F+ ??
Chriscrawfordphoto
Real Men Shoot Film.
I just bought 10 rolls of Pan-F in 120 size today.
Tom A
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Just got 10 rolls of Silvermax from Chris Livsey in UK. Weather seems to be fine for 100 this weekend. Will try it out. The train depot shots look good - really good. First run will be with Td 201 and after that some Rodinal and Beutler. I have to wonder how well it would do in Pyrocat HD.has anyone tried it?
Fotohuis
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I have a personal preference for Efke 25 film, indeed. IMO it was a special film with a nice (orthopan) tonal range and very fine grain.
But promoting: Sorry but 70% of all the film range of Adox/Fotoimpex, which means CHS 25-50-100 and IR was coming from Efke/Fotokemika. So talking about promoting and crap film ......
And yes I know that Agfa Gevaert production is better in Q.C. But they are not able to produce an Efke 25 look alike film. (And please not another story about Copex or any micro film, = apples and peers.)
BTW this Silvermax film is also not meant for any Adox CHS replacement. A special film for reverse processing, cine film and with the special SPUR developer suitable for good negatives.
And a one end production, to quote Fotoimpex : To redo, too expensive in materials.
HHPhoto
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And the same is valid for RPX 100.
Please stop spreading the misinformation that Kentmere and RPX are identical, which is coming from the former Maco CEO.
He was fired because of all these lies two years ago.
It is common practice in the film manufacturing to make bigger coating runs, and then selling the material over a time span of many years.
Agfa-Gevaert is doing that for example. Lots of their films are coated only in 3-5 year periods.
And some have even longer spans: The Avichrome film was even still coated in Leverkusen, and Agfa is now selling eight year old stock!
Adox has several time said that even with robust demand they can ship this film for about 4-5 years.
I am quite sure they have well thought such statements.
And another misinformation from the former Maco CEO. He has told this nonsense several times in German forums.
By the way, Ilford has always denied that.
I do believe Simon Galley. I've never experienced a false statement from him.
But there is a track record of several lies from Mr. Schroeder, who was fired.
Cheers, Jan
HHPhoto
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Robert, take Acros 100 with a blue filter, and you will get almost identical tonality, but with even finer grain and higher resolution.
And perfect QC.
I know, and I have always seen that critical.
But that belongs to the past, and that is good.
Let's concentrate on current manufacturers with high quality, and which care for their customers (Fotokemika never did that, honestly).
Of course not, no one has said that.
You don't need the Spur developer.
You can get excellent results with all the standard developers.
Cheers, Jan
Fotohuis
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Yes, any big manufacturer is making film in larger quanities. But with all respect, I do not think Adox/Impex is a big manufacturer. Till a few years ago they were only importing and repacking films and papers.
Talking about a certain person who is even not on this forum is not my style so I won't give any inside information about this.
Talking about a certain person who is even not on this forum is not my style so I won't give any inside information about this.
HHPhoto
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Robert, of course they are not a big manufacturer.
But for emulsion making and coating they are cooperating with InovisCoat ( www.inoviscoat.de ) for years, and also with Ilford (they make two different papers for Adox, Easy Print and VarioClassic)
That has never been a secret, it was communicated by Adox.
For example the Adox MCC and MCP papers and Silvermax are coated by InovisCoat, converting (cutting, packaging) is done by Adox in their new factory.
And the production runs of InovisCoat are all bigger runs in the 10,000 to 20,000 m² range (just call them, they will tell you).
In the future Adox will make emulsion making and coating of some small volume products in their own factory:
http://www.adox.de/english/ADOX_History/styled-10/index.html
Cheers, Jan
k__43
Registered Film User
I've recently asked at a shop here in Berlin that should know really if Silvermax will ever be available in 120. I've got a very clear "No" as a reply .. I'm sad. My Mamiya7 would have loved that material.
