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dave lackey
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Where is this thread headed? I am lost...
But then, what's different about that on an everyday standpoint with me?
If we are talking about getting a dream camera, what's with the $1000 figure? Seems that more people than not, on RFF, piss away more money than that every year on rotating cameras and lenses for the next best thing.
I could be wrong, but it seems like the old argument about buying a car. My mentor in college drove a 1974 240D and I should have, really should have, absolutely! should have found the money to have bought one but I kept buying Toyotas, domestic sedans, station wagons, trucks, SUVs, and the such for family cars. They were cheaper and "just as good"....(my arse, in hindsight).
Dumb!!! I reasoned that I could not afford a $15000 Mercedes at the time but if I had bought one, drove it everywhere and kept it in mint condition all these years, I calculated the other day that I would be about $80,000 ahead with that money saved in a bank account somewhere. Plus, I would be driving a beautiful classic Mercedes to boot! Not to mention the ecological benefits of not replacing a car every year or two.
Cameras now are another commodity that has everyone buying the next best camera ever (again, my arse!) with all the gotta-have bells and whistles. All because of the idiocy of the electronics revolution...If that is what floats one's boat...fine with me. BTDT with Nikon DSLRS....for years.
But when someone continually flushes one's own money down the toilet every year or so when Nikon or whoever comes out with a new D-what the hell # is next,....there is no logic in wishing for $1000 dream camera except to feed the materialistic addiction, IMO. Dreaming is fine. Not necessarily money-smart.
If the image is the goal...it is really outrageous...just pick a camera you love and use it! If one cannot take great photos with what is available now, there is no hope one will ever be able to.
If the gear is the goal...dreaming of inexpensive dream cameras is akin to a well-known addiction, well beyond our fun-filled vintage camera GAS.
But then, what's different about that on an everyday standpoint with me?If we are talking about getting a dream camera, what's with the $1000 figure? Seems that more people than not, on RFF, piss away more money than that every year on rotating cameras and lenses for the next best thing.
I could be wrong, but it seems like the old argument about buying a car. My mentor in college drove a 1974 240D and I should have, really should have, absolutely! should have found the money to have bought one but I kept buying Toyotas, domestic sedans, station wagons, trucks, SUVs, and the such for family cars. They were cheaper and "just as good"....(my arse, in hindsight).
Dumb!!! I reasoned that I could not afford a $15000 Mercedes at the time but if I had bought one, drove it everywhere and kept it in mint condition all these years, I calculated the other day that I would be about $80,000 ahead with that money saved in a bank account somewhere. Plus, I would be driving a beautiful classic Mercedes to boot! Not to mention the ecological benefits of not replacing a car every year or two.
Cameras now are another commodity that has everyone buying the next best camera ever (again, my arse!) with all the gotta-have bells and whistles. All because of the idiocy of the electronics revolution...If that is what floats one's boat...fine with me. BTDT with Nikon DSLRS....for years.
But when someone continually flushes one's own money down the toilet every year or so when Nikon or whoever comes out with a new D-what the hell # is next,....there is no logic in wishing for $1000 dream camera except to feed the materialistic addiction, IMO. Dreaming is fine. Not necessarily money-smart.
If the image is the goal...it is really outrageous...just pick a camera you love and use it! If one cannot take great photos with what is available now, there is no hope one will ever be able to.
If the gear is the goal...dreaming of inexpensive dream cameras is akin to a well-known addiction, well beyond our fun-filled vintage camera GAS.
I'm not chasing bells and whistles... I'm chasing the lack of bells and whistles.
I haven't completely fell in love with a digital camera. That is why I use four different ones. Together, they equal what I would love to have in one camera.
JohnTF
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Roger, is this going to meld in to a previous thread -- discussing how good is good enough in equipment? If good enough falls below $1K, is that the answer?
I think I should sell some cameras, or I am in danger of having more cameras than images I would share.
As to having financial responsibilities beyond sufficient funds available for equipment, I suppose I could go back to my F2 and darkroom rather than neglecting serious obligations to people depending on me.
I know people who kind of dance from one camera to the next, trying to use the minimum cash to "surf" some dynamic cutting edge through sales and trades. It can take a lot of energy and effort that best might be spent elsewhere.
I also know someone who owns a couple of cars now, but has bought and sold perhaps 150 in the past 35 years.
Perhaps one should "lease" a system for three years, and move "up" to what ever is available at the time?
Regards, John
I think I should sell some cameras, or I am in danger of having more cameras than images I would share.
As to having financial responsibilities beyond sufficient funds available for equipment, I suppose I could go back to my F2 and darkroom rather than neglecting serious obligations to people depending on me.
I know people who kind of dance from one camera to the next, trying to use the minimum cash to "surf" some dynamic cutting edge through sales and trades. It can take a lot of energy and effort that best might be spent elsewhere.
I also know someone who owns a couple of cars now, but has bought and sold perhaps 150 in the past 35 years.
Perhaps one should "lease" a system for three years, and move "up" to what ever is available at the time?
Regards, John
maddoc
... likes film again.
Isn`t that what the pros do anyway? Just leasing or renting the required equipment (except for some very basic and essential outfit) to get the job done and then moving on?
Roger Hicks
Veteran
Post 35 (krötenblender) is very persuasive: in our society everything has a price, and if you put a price-tag on your dream, it's one step closer to reality, regardless how ridiculous the price is.
Cheers,
R.
Jamie123
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For most things (and by things I mean things) that people dream about the price is the only thing that keeps them from making it a reality. It's the old 'if I won the lottery tomorrow' hypothesis. There are plenty of things people want that already exist, their dream is to be able to afford it.
So I think the $1000 is not really a price-tag people put on their dreams, it's a crucial part of the dream itself. Or let's put it this way. There's no point in fantasizing about your dream woman if, in the fantasy, she's not interested in you.
Johann Espiritu
Lawyer / Ninja
I'd pay $1,000 if Voigtlander made their own version of a Tri-Elmar!
Sparrow
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For most things (and by things I mean things) that people dream about the price is the only thing that keeps them from making it a reality. It's the old 'if I won the lottery tomorrow' hypothesis. There are plenty of things people want that already exist, their dream is to be able to afford it.
So I think the $1000 is not really a price-tag people put on their dreams, it's a crucial part of the dream itself. Or let's put it this way. There's no point in fantasizing about your dream woman if, in the fantasy, she's not interested in you.
... unless that were the fantasy?
Roger Hicks
Veteran
For most things (and by things I mean things) that people dream about the price is the only thing that keeps them from making it a reality. It's the old 'if I won the lottery tomorrow' hypothesis. There are plenty of things people want that already exist, their dream is to be able to afford it.
So I think the $1000 is not really a price-tag people put on their dreams, it's a crucial part of the dream itself. Or let's put it this way. There's no point in fantasizing about your dream woman if, in the fantasy, she's not interested in you.
You are almost certainly correct: along with krötenblender, yours is one of the best hypotheses so far. Also, I particularly like the phrase "For most things (and by things I mean things)..."
All of which is an interesting illustration of the possibility of intelligent discourse and reflection on the internet, despite the general level of drivel.
Cheers,
R.
Murchu
Well-known
For most things (and by things I mean things) that people dream about the price is the only thing that keeps them from making it a reality. It's the old 'if I won the lottery tomorrow' hypothesis. There are plenty of things people want that already exist, their dream is to be able to afford it.
So I think the $1000 is not really a price-tag people put on their dreams, it's a crucial part of the dream itself. Or let's put it this way. There's no point in fantasizing about your dream woman if, in the fantasy, she's not interested in you.
Very succinctly put
Gabriel M.A.
My Red Dot Glows For You
It's an option only if I can get an all-new Hadrion collider for $500 that can fit in the laundry room.
Roger Hicks
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Gabriel M.A.
My Red Dot Glows For You
So I think the $1000 is not really a price-tag people put on their dreams, it's a crucial part of the dream itself. Or let's put it this way. There's no point in fantasizing about your dream woman if, in the fantasy, she's not interested in you.
But there is: if in the fantasy you're not interested in her; and that can only drive her nuts, turning her interested in you.
If people are going to be imaginative, they should be imaginative about their imaginativeness. Otherwise, what is the point of imagining anything?
Either people do home renovations all the way or you have a pretty ugly-looking house: don't do it hass-alfed!
Gabriel M.A.
My Red Dot Glows For You
I thought I was splurging. Electricity for a month costs less than a tenth of that. Why pay more for something a billionth-of-a-gazillionth's worth of energy?
RBruceCR
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...but not your Low Light and Night Photography a practical handbook, by the way, great reading!
jaredangle
Photojournalist
I want to get a KEH bargain quality Leica M4-2, and I want it to be $1000... oh wait, that's what they are!
That's the only thing I want right now. Or an M6 TTL .85x at their going rate... $2500?
I'd be happy.
JohnTF
Veteran
Sooner or later, you will discover ability, time and opportunity to capture/create a handsome image is the dream.
The device is somewhat incidental to that dream, and just as "Money Can't Buy You Love", it cannot buy you those above as well.
Regards, John
The device is somewhat incidental to that dream, and just as "Money Can't Buy You Love", it cannot buy you those above as well.
Regards, John