bmattock
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oscroft said:Hi Bill,
I have great respect for you (you've been one of my favourite contributors here since I joined), but I'm afraid that is utter, 100%, buffalo poop.
Best regards![]()
At least I'm good for the environment. Biodegradable and all that.
cmedin
Well-known
NickTrop said:Sorry to hear it. I'm not going to rub it in by talking about the archivability of prints and negatives but every computer I ever had, except the first two I bought that didn't even have drives (Comadore 64, and later an Epson XP), went because the drives went. You can talk back-up, and who can argue that? But - really, let's add "back up" to the list of chores nobody has time to do in our busy lives.
There are several nice online backup services available these days. Setting up something like Mozy consists of downloading and installing the software, then you don't worry about it other than checking on it once in a while.
If you don't have time for that, it's because you simply don't care.
bmattock
Veteran
You don't know how many geek jokes you grumpy old men are inspiring in me. 
bmattock
Veteran
rover said:You don't know how many geek jokes you grumpy old men are inspiring in me.![]()
It's true, I've got the twirly propeller to prove it. But I'm comfortable with who I am. Just a grumpy old man with good typing skills and bottle of Jack. And a Java manual (trying to teach it to myself).
Al Patterson
Ferroequinologist
rover said:You don't know how many geek jokes you grumpy old men are inspiring in me.![]()
Like "How many programmers does it take to change a lightbulb"?
Yes, that’s me.... drooling slack-jawed, knock-kneed, glassy-eyed, a Leica M2 user since 1967, and when I first saw the Mac 128 in the store in 1984 I started nodding immediately: That’s the computer for me, I liked the pretty icons, MacWrite, MacPaint, MultiPlan and Dollars & Sense were all I needed, it’s all about the user interface, and the delightful lack of BASIC closed the deal. I bow in respect...bmattock said:The thing that puts me off about Mac is the same thing that puts me off about Leica - those who believe in the system are glassy-eyed, slack-jawed, nodding heads to whatever Apple does. Apple is not a God, and neither is Leitz.
I run Linux. Mac people need to be deprogrammed in some camp somewhere.
I had a “backup malfunction” some years ago, lost some 350 Mb of personal creative effort. It was devastating. Not a failure of hard drive or other media, but unwise reliance on automated process, where I backed up another volume over the top of the one where the 350Mb was located, then blindly backed up THAT volume over its previous backup. So I lost both the original data and its backup. Terrible feeling I wouldn’t wish on anyone.
bmattock
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I never said you were knock-kneed. I'm sure your knees are quite un-knocky.
cmedin
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Al Patterson said:And speaking of games, you haven't lived until you played mutli-player Star Trek on a VAX. Or Collosal Cave Adventure on a PDP-11.
You guys are making me all nostalgic.
Regarding Macs, not sure why you can't like them without being a 'fanboy'. I don't give a rat's ass about Apple in any way, but I do like my iPod because it's a damned decent music player that works great for me. Considering a MacBook because it has a superb screen and good specs for the money; been through a few PC laptops that I didn't care for. Just pick the tool you like and works for you; no need to get caught up in the 'religion' surrounding it. That goes ten-fold for Linux; if you think Apple has a rabid fanbase go check out your Linux hangouts...
RdEoSg
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wow you guys like to derail threads!
wpb asked about what happened to my drive. The hardware side of things didn't fail, the drive still turns on, still spins, it doesn't make any clicking sounds or anything. The computers, mac and PC have both been tested, can see the drive, but on the mac, it can't mount, and on the PC it just asks if you want to format it. I am assuming in my slightly techy knowledge that is more than the average person, but also enough to get me in trouble, feels that it has something to with the directory being corrupted. The drive was working fine. I was installing something that locked up my mac and wouldn't quit. I couldn't force quite so I had to hold down the power button to restart.. stupidly I forgot to eject both of my external drives at the time. The main drive that died was plugged into the laptop through firewire. the smaller drive was chained off the big drive. The small drive works fine, the big drive stopped working after the restart.
Unfortunately the drive is formatted Fat32 so I can't use Disk Warrior which was recommended by many websites as working wonders for fixing drives.
wpb asked about what happened to my drive. The hardware side of things didn't fail, the drive still turns on, still spins, it doesn't make any clicking sounds or anything. The computers, mac and PC have both been tested, can see the drive, but on the mac, it can't mount, and on the PC it just asks if you want to format it. I am assuming in my slightly techy knowledge that is more than the average person, but also enough to get me in trouble, feels that it has something to with the directory being corrupted. The drive was working fine. I was installing something that locked up my mac and wouldn't quit. I couldn't force quite so I had to hold down the power button to restart.. stupidly I forgot to eject both of my external drives at the time. The main drive that died was plugged into the laptop through firewire. the smaller drive was chained off the big drive. The small drive works fine, the big drive stopped working after the restart.
Unfortunately the drive is formatted Fat32 so I can't use Disk Warrior which was recommended by many websites as working wonders for fixing drives.
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xtian
Member
Just like anything else ... AppleMac or Wintel is just an EQUIPMENT to get the job done. Hopefully everybody knows that different camera BRANDS are just EQUIPMENT to get the job done "It's not about the equipment, it's about the photography" (I don't think anybody would use a Rangefinder system to take MACRO images... and argue that it does a better job than an SLR)
I have 2 macs (1 desktop in my kitchen, and 1 laptop) and 4 pc's (1 desktop, 1 media center for DVD/media playback on a projector, 1 game/arcade emulator, 1 tablet pc) each one for a specific purpose.
anyhow...
for backup, I lost a LOT of images/documents in my crash of 1998. Since then I always had AT LEAST a RAID system set up. In the 10 year span, just looking at my RAID system (went from internal hardware RAID to external NAS RAID) I had 2 hard drives crash on me, but thankfully didn't lose any data because of the redundancy.
For the REALLY important stuff, I upload to an off-site server as archive.
so far haven't had to reach into the off-site to restore anything lost on my end.
I have 2 macs (1 desktop in my kitchen, and 1 laptop) and 4 pc's (1 desktop, 1 media center for DVD/media playback on a projector, 1 game/arcade emulator, 1 tablet pc) each one for a specific purpose.
anyhow...
for backup, I lost a LOT of images/documents in my crash of 1998. Since then I always had AT LEAST a RAID system set up. In the 10 year span, just looking at my RAID system (went from internal hardware RAID to external NAS RAID) I had 2 hard drives crash on me, but thankfully didn't lose any data because of the redundancy.
For the REALLY important stuff, I upload to an off-site server as archive.
so far haven't had to reach into the off-site to restore anything lost on my end.
kievman
Kievman
Sorry to here about your crash, After having two hard drives crashing on me, lost 30 gigs of images, I shoot everything I really care about on film, The scans of those negs are stored on 2 hard drives,& CDs, so i have three copies of those images The Backup drives & negs are stored in Fireproof Safes. So I am Protected Either way. Plus when the files become obsolete etc etc.. which they will. dont kid yourself, remember the bmp file format? I can always go back to the negs. And its sad to to say now the real realities of the digital age are coming home to kick us in the face and Boy does it HURT.... Kievman
amateriat
We're all light!
Now, now...every platform (camera or computer) has its share of platform-bigots, and it gets on my nerves as well. (But you Linux guys are sooo touchy...)bmattock said:The thing that puts me off about Mac is the same thing that puts me off about Leica - those who believe in the system are glassy-eyed, slack-jawed, nodding heads to whatever Apple does. Apple is not a God, and neither is Leitz.
I run Linux. Mac people need to be deprogrammed in some camp somewhere.
As I type this, I'm setting up a new PC for a client whose old one flamed-out a few days ago, and she needs it done right now (and it's past 3 in the morning deep in the heart of DUMBO). And I have another tech gig at 11 in the morning. I just had to download Norton 360 for her...again...
I've said it once, and I'll say it again. Back it all up, people (your data, that is, not your claims of platform superiority). It gets ugly when you don't, and wind up wishing you had.
- Barrett
Gabriel M.A.
My Red Dot Glows For You
"Platform-bigots"? Yikes. I guess I was suffering Commodore 64 adversity in the face of IBM PC slant.amateriat said:Now, now...every platform (camera or computer) has its share of platform-bigots, and it gets on my nerves as well. (But you Linux guys are sooo touchy...)![]()
C/PM hope died in the Barbaric Q-DOS Invasion. Plague, rather
Gabriel M.A.
My Red Dot Glows For You
Unfortunately, that's evolved to "how many VPs does it take to give conflicting directions to programmers on the corporate way to change a lightbulb".Al Patterson said:Like "How many programmers does it take to change a lightbulb"?
Larky
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Bmatock, please don't insult me over what is obviously a light hearted comment.
I have offered advice, and even offered a free service to back-up peoples work (by the way, if anyone wants to take me up on that you can also share them via FTP so you don't have to send me a disc) so that this sort of thing happens less and less.
What have you done apart fro whine and complain? I'm beginning to see why sitemistic left.
I have offered advice, and even offered a free service to back-up peoples work (by the way, if anyone wants to take me up on that you can also share them via FTP so you don't have to send me a disc) so that this sort of thing happens less and less.
What have you done apart fro whine and complain? I'm beginning to see why sitemistic left.
bmattock
Veteran
Larky said:Bmatock, please don't insult me over what is obviously a light hearted comment.
It may have been light-hearted, but it wasn't 'obvious'.
RdEoSg
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Unfortunatly Disk Utilities won't do anything either. It can't mount the drive so everything is greyed out. I don't have a hard drive big enough to put a 300gb disk image anyways so I'll still have to buy a new drive.
Larky
Well-known
So it spins up but doesn't mount? Stuck platters? Can you hear any clicking, or just the whirr of the motor?
S
Socke
Guest
RdEoSg said:Unfortunatly Disk Utilities won't do anything either. It can't mount the drive so everything is greyed out. I don't have a hard drive big enough to put a 300gb disk image anyways so I'll still have to buy a new drive.
Have a look at restorer 2000, I just rescued lots of data from a corrupted drive and previously I saved registry data from a Windows system partition which had been reformated and overwritten with that tool.
http://www.restorer2000.com/
Oh, and to computers, I earn a living with Windows mostly, use Linux as file, database and webserver and as a desktop and have a Macbook as well as a HP Notebook.
At home I have an Intel Board in an old Fujitsu Siemens Case with Ubuntu, a Macbook with Leopard and a HP Notebook dualbooting Vista Business or XP Pro.
The Macbook is my favourite, it just works and it was much cheaper then the HP.
And to my age, RPG means Report Program Generator to me, not Role Playing Game
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